Years ago (mid1970s) I found a bunch of Monogram Speedee Builts (the
1:48 solid balsa kits) on a trip to visit my then-in-laws in Montreal
Canada. The Frenchman that sold them to me sold them at the marked
price - 29=A2 each. There were three available, the F-84, the P-40 and
(I think) the P-51. I sold the P-40 to a friend who collected things
Curtiss for $5.00, the F-84 to a co-worker who built one as a kid for
same and gave the last one away as a birthday present.
Twenty years later I found out just valuable that those kits have
Oh well, I don't really do balsa, so that's okay.
Everyone forgets that at the time 2001 came out, it was considered more
confusing than a classic, and its box office appeal wasn't that great.
I still don't think it is all that great of a movie, although I like HAL
and the apes at the beginning.
The ending was pretty much incomprehensible unless you read the book.
I think Aurora ended up with a warehouse full of Moon Buses that they
were trying to get rid of all the way to the end of the company.
Just wait; thirty years from now models from the Star Wars prequels will
be worth a fortune.
Okay... maybe not.
Lets face it, the movies sucked. :-D
Thank heavens someone else admits that the movie was confusing. The
first time I saw it I was wondering why it was supposed to be a
'Classic'. Bizarre beginning and confusing ending - yep, that makes a
BTW, I'm left flat by "Citizen Kane" and "Gone With The Wind". Had I
met Miss Scarlet, I'd have run as far and as fast as possible.
Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.
I find it one of the over-rated movies ever done. I think 2010 is a far
better movie than 2001.
I mentioned that on the sci.space.history newsgroup, and they nearly
tore my head off for daring to speak anything less than praises of it.
For a really imaginative (and really funny also) science fiction movie
of recent years it's hard to beat "The Fifth Element",
which is like something like Harry Harrison or Eric Frank Russell would
come up with.
Of course having Mobius design how the future will look was a brilliant
move on Bisson's part.
I keep thinking that that movie probably did a pretty good job of
predicting just how odd yet familiar the future really will be.
Kane's great from a cinematographic viewpoint, but the story is really
But it looks and sounds really impressive, so it must be great...of
course that same description could be used for Orson Wells.
Gone With The Wind is basically a steamy (or what would pass for steamy
at the time) big-budget soap opera.
Scarlett comes across as a lot more trouble than she'd ever be worth,
but a woman wrote the book and in a lot of soap operas men throw
themselves at women who are real pains in the ass or outright psychos.
For a real shot at the latter, check out the bizarre movie version of
Ayn Rand's "The Fountainhead"*. In that one both lead characters come
across as complete wackos... but I guess it's the same in the book, so
it's probably a good adaptation.
*She wrote most of the script and was around while they were filming it,
so I assume she _wanted_ it to end up like that.
One can only assume that Lucas wanted those Star Wars prequels to end up
like that also, though God knows why.
At least Spielberg is still doing quality science fiction movies.
(Pat looks out window and notes Optimus Prime battling a Martian War
Machine in the street, as Dakota Fanning stands outside his door and
screams and screams, only to be dragged off by police for her murder of
Tom Cruise in 2013)
On second thought, maybe 2001 isn't that bad of a movie after all. ;-)
I did watch "The Fountainhead" as there was this silly woman at work who
thought Ayn Rand was the bees' knees. I've never seen a bigger waste of
Gary Cooper's talents.
My colleague at work thought business people were of the highest morals.
I told her I thought of them rather as cats in heat. She didn't like
that much but I had to agree with her that a society is in its best
health when it produces what it needs. That means putting its own
people to work doing thus. 'Service Economy' to me means nothing more
than shuffling others' product around. It produces nothing.
Oops, I stumbled up onto a soap box. Sorry 'bout that.
Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.
It's great watching him spout that stuff in his courtroom appearance
scene while his eyes and whole delivery say: "I don't have a clue what I
just said is supposed to mean...what the hell is she driving at, anyway?
He blows up poor people's housing because they want balconies, and
that's okay? Is she nuts?"
By the moral standards of piranhas, they probably are.
It's the old Social Darwinism idea; the more ruthless we all are to each
other, the better things will get.
It's an interesting inversion on the Biblical idea of God rewarding good
people with plenty.
Instead of "Your goodness has been rewarded with riches by God." it has
become "The fact that you are rich proves you are a good person in God's
eyes." which isn't the same thing by a long shot.
Probably took a swing at you with her riding crop, then threw some
statuary out of a nearby window, right?
Ever wonder where that thing landed at several floors below? I half
expected to hear a shriek followed by ambulance sirens.
Boy, the parody you could do of that movie. After Roark dynamites
Cortland and gets away with it, he sets out on a one-architect reign of
terror across the entire country, blowing everything to hell he thinks
wasn't built by a pure act of will on the part of a single designer. The
FBI finally catches up with him as he is getting ready to dynamite Mt
Rushmore on the grounds that "It should have only Jefferson's face on it
as he was the one who wrote the Declaration Of Independence...so the
United States was his idea alone, and the other three presidents meddled
with his plans."
Here, Roark shows a model of the revolutionary "Domino Tower":
unfortunately toppled in a stiff breeze two weeks after it was
completed in 1952.
Not to be stopped by something so trivial as nature, Roark next built
the "Intrepid Incline" apartment building:
unfortunately fell into the street in 1958 when all the tenants
rushed onto the front balcony simultaneously one day after hearing a
rumor that Marilyn Monroe was entering the building's first floor...naked.
Undaunted, Roark continued onwards and upwards...producing his first
masterwork, the Wynand Building:
unfortunately was destroyed when the Moon collided with it in 1964.
But there was no stopping a man of Roark's drive and ambition, and even
greater architectural accomplishments lay ahead:
I've always thought that 2001 was a brilliant movie but the end is
mostly special effects. I'd call the first 90% of the movie excellent
and why it's a classic. Someone mentioned the book... yes, having read
the book, the end of the movie makes more sense.
Citizen Kane... again a better book than movie, but also an excellent
classic. It's a terrific story based on one of the Fitzgeralds of Boston
(Kennedy ancestors) and it also means much more if you know about the
Kennedy family. Once you read about the Fitzgeralds, then watch
Kane...you'll be riveted.
I guess to watch movies that can be pretty multi-faceted like that, it
helps to have read some background first.
Gone with the Wind.... never into it. It's a taste thing, I guess.
Stephen Tontoni wrote in news:tontoni-
That's interesting. I always understood it was based on William Randolph
Hearst, Right down to the mansion he built in northern California, the
I think, for their times, Citizen Kane and 2001 were certainly breakthrough
movies. Whether they stand the test of time is always an issue.For me,
Forbidden Planet still stands the test of time in Sci Fi.
It certainly looks like one of the main inspirations for Star Trek,
right down to having a United Federation Of Planets Cruiser for a United
Planets Cruiser, and a captain who gets the moves put on him by a hot
scantily dressed babe.
In the original series concept, Enterprise's front saucer shaped section
was supposed to detach and land on planets, but the budget wouldn't
allow it. That would have made the resemblance to FP's C-57D even more
Of course, Kirk would have killed Robby on sight, and cut another notch
in his phaser for the destruction of a soulless intelligent machine that
wouldn't let people suffer and die the way they are supposed to.
But at least Morbius was smart enough to blow up the whole Krell planet
because it had a powerful thinking machine on it that could give you
whatever you wanted, and Kirk would have applauded him for that.
No halfway measures when dealing with those damn things.