On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 18:49:06 -0700 (PDT), jon_banquer
This is code words for Jon Banquer being banned from those sites for
clueless ramblings and flame wars. Jon complains because moderated
groups ban him then he complains about un-moderated groups because he
can't be in control.
Does Jon practice what he preaches, HELL NO! Jon has moderated sites,
his blog's. Lots of censorship and VERY few comments posted because he
only posts comments from people who agree with him. That comes out to
three or four comments TOTAL on his sites, hard to tell though some or
all of those may be forged (he did it before and got caught).
Just try to get Jon to answer an easy on topic question in his own
words to support one of his positions and see what happens.
Tom
On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:10:59 -0700 (PDT),
snipped-for-privacy@mastercam-cadcam.com wrote:
Empty threat.
Someone voicing an opinion is protected. It is not enough to prove
someone lied, you have to prove it harmed you and was intentional. So
what it comes down to is you have the burden of proof that is was a
lie, rational people of average intelligence could be/were fooled into
believing it and resulted in causing you harm.
In Jon's case you are screwed:
Jon is giving his opinion.
No rational person of average intelligence would take anything Jon
says seriously.
You have to prove it harmed you physically, mentally or monetarily.
If you are deemed to be a public figure (moderating a board could be
interpreted as such) the bar and burden of proof on you is raised even
higher to near impossible level of proof.
It will cost you a shit load of money to hire a lawyer, take Jon to
court and in the unlikely event you were ever awarded monetary damages
you will never collect since Jon has no assets.
Tom
On Aug 13, 5:06 pm, snipped-for-privacy@aol.com wrote:
I HAVE proven he lied. But as far as monetary damages. So far not yet.
It only takes one instance. He stated matter of factly I was given the
boot as a moderator. So he in fact did lie. It was malicious, it was
no where near stated as opinion. I believe I can meet the burden of
proof. Now it only takes damages. So we'll see what happens. If he
keeps up with his calling everyone an a-hole... no problem. He's
entitled to his opinion. It's the lies that get people into trouble.
As far as no assets, no biggie. It's not money I'm after. Not after
anything but the truth. He lied, I have proven it. End of story.
The way you're acting is as if Jon posted the social security numbers and
home address of you, your wife and children in an attempt to bring harm
to your family.
THAT would be malicious you stupid fuck!
So Jon made you come here all by himself?
Hey Jon, ever consider changing your name to Merlin the Magician? :)
No Jon you keep putting me down because I will not acknowledge the
fact that you say I helped one of your aliases a fact you can neither
support or deny with facts or proff.
>In other words, Ron you wish
>to control how I feel about the help I received from you.
Wrong again you are trying to throw that control over me in trying to
elude to the effect that I am a prick that that does not see where
someone has given me praise. Where as the praise that I am being given
is done so after the fact of the effort I have given and also done in
a means that was not directly in my knowledge to you, but through a
backwards method and I am suppose to after that event take your word
for it when you have done it in a dis-honest way what ever your reason
were to do so.
>I've got news for you, you don't have this control over me and you
never, ever will.
Get over yourself Jon.
Nope Jon just thinking is all I am after that choice is yours that is
the choice God that walked on the earth as Man named Jesus Christ gave
you.
>In many others you don't.
Glad to know it goes both ways.
Jon with you there is no telling I have learned to look at anything
that sounds to good to be true to be just that.
I will be very clear here. I have my own email on the board and I have
my own email here. That is a direct way to contact me. I have 100's of
people contact me for help and I help them the best I can. I am more
than willing to help anyone and you again through a dishonest and not
in a straight way feel you can only get help from me in that way. That
shows you know nothing about me personally and put me in that group
you keep saying I am not part of by these action, thus the reason I am
here even saying anything.
So you can rant without specifics and other can. You bringing this up
is doing the very thing you say I trying to put on you with the
control aspect. You feel it was not needed again your right as you say
I know not why you do what you do you know not why I do what I do.
Also I do things in email to CNC and in the Beta forum that you have
no clue what I do again trying to think for me and trying to put in my
place, yet cant take me making you think about the place you keep
putting others in which is the whole point of this exchange not a
thing to do with Mastercam.
Again one mans trash is another man treasure and your perception on
the world again only falls into what you think. Intelligence is not
the measure of one mans writing skills and things they think the
worlds needs it is the measure of one man using of those ideas to get
the task at hand done. It must conform to your standards and someone
has to agree that people are idiots and follow your idea of what an
idiot is that so skewed it is not even funny to be in the clique you
want forums and life to be about.
And this from your blog:
Quote:
This is the kind of functionality that the e-Mastercam clique of
idiots (John Paris, James Meyette, Matt Finley (Rekd), kunfuzed,
hardmill, dragracer1951/ PBMW, Robert Brunson, Rickster, g-code, etc.)
think is useless and not necessary despite several posters pointing
out how valuable this functionality really is on the e-Mastercam
forum. With this kind of clique mentality is it any wonder that CNC
Software doesn’t feel the pressure to add badly needed functionality
that is missing in Mastercam?
This is polite and factual and relevant about the point you are making
about graphical toolpath editing?? Again your circle mentality about
do it a certain way and then demand others do a it a different way and
then complain about the way people do it when they follow the model
you laid in front of them as the way you find acceptable for just not
others they then become idiots. Again your circle of logic is way off
here.
Jon your idea about one thing and I have another idea about something
guess what that is what makes us different. It is open to people to
discuss Mastercam, not UG that is what the cnczone and here here is
about and for not the emastercam forum. Clue in on the name Jon it has
Mastercam in its name not please help my completion put me out of
business because I am stupid for it name.
Ok Jon again using your logic allow me free access to your customers
buyers since you feel so strongly about it.
Again your actions speak louder than what you think you are doing with
comments like this being made::
Quote from your Blog:
This is the kind of functionality that the e-Mastercam clique of
idiots (John Paris, James Meyette, Matt Finley (Rekd), kunfuzed,
hardmill, dragracer1951/ PBMW, Robert Brunson, Rickster, g-code, etc.)
think is useless and not necessary despite several posters pointing
out how valuable this functionality really is on the e-Mastercam
forum. With this kind of clique mentality is it any wonder that CNC
Software doesn’t feel the pressure to add badly needed functionality
that is missing in Mastercam?
In the above comment where are you fact, your time study to show it
importance, your video showing the need for it, the R.O.I. where CNC
must invest X amount of dollars doing this?? Again the circle of
logic.
No I am not in your mind and do not care to be it making the loop of
what loops can be the thing that some look at the idea of something
that may or may not go to the direction of the place it seems to be at
where people sometimes look at the backside of the nothing that may or
may not be the place on the spot of the point that was in the method
of the thought that works in the idea of someone's logic.
Why do you link your "old" blog to be linked again to another blog?
The navigation on the "new" one sucks ass BTW
The sheer level of narcissism it takes to think that anyone gives a
shit about your opinion of toolpathing is mind boggling.
You have porven time & time again through your various aliases that
you have very basic knowlege of Mastercam at best. If narcissism were
measured in units of mass, your skull would crush in on itself in a
giant black hole of stupidity.
"I still do not understand why you can't and won't program the Ti-89
to do what Jim's calculator can do. If I don't get fired this week, I
intend to buy one." - Jon Banquer -
Hi,
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Sam
On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 20:41:19 -0700 (PDT), jon_banquer
Well lets see what Jon thinks about unmoderated formats:
"I figured for once I'd give these posters a taste or their own
medicine which seemed to anger the host of the Blog who had elected to
go with an unmoderated format." - Jon Banquer - July 18, 2007-
Truth be told (not by banquer) all Novedge interviews go with an
unmoderated format, you knew it. It's just that you're the first
interviewee to violate your agreement with the author.
[
UPDATE -- July 8, 2007 -- I had to close this blog post to further
comments and to remove the personal attacks between Jon and some other
newsgroups readers. Before the interview, I made an agreement with Jon
about the style of the interview and the way to handle it. Jon didn't
respect our agreement, posting comments under fake names. Jon's
authentic and fake comments are all posted from the same IP address,
72.199.251.224. I can now see that my trust in Jon was misplaced.
] http://blog.novedge.com/2007/07/an-interview-wi.html
".....posted March 13, 2007 11:26 AM
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By editing my comments, I feels as though I've compromised my
integrity in some way which is why I sent Webby my resigation as
Moderator for the Mastercam Forum. I'll still moderate O/T but I feel
it's my duty to give you folks on the forum an honest opinion and if I
can't do that... well, what good am I then?
So Thermwod, if you don't like the FACT that the column on your 5-Axis
machines are so weak that you NEED a 1" Travel indicator to measure
the deflection, then MAKE A BETTER PRODUCT!!!!!..."
The TRUTH as to why I am not a Moderator in the Mastercam Forum on
eMastercam...
Jon, YOU ARE A LIAR!!!!! Here it is for all to see.
On Aug 11, 7:36 pm, snipped-for-privacy@aol.com wrote:
Whoever is at the helm on CNCZone has become pretty adept at locating
and deleting Jonnie Bonkers.
It's kinda funny, CNCZone has an odd feature that lets you see who the
last people were to look at your profile. Sure enough, the last 4
people to look at my profile were Jon Banquer's aliases!
"...Some progress was made in the past when clique idiot James Meyette
was stripped of his right to moderate the main Mastercam forum and now
can only moderate in the Off Topic forum..."
Jon, what a TOTAL know nothing you are. You are so clueless it's
almost laughable. I have the e-mails and the topic trail in e-
Mastercam to prove different. I ASKED to be removed as moderator in
the Mastercam Forum because Thermwood had some issues with my harsh
criticisms of their machines. They complained to CNC and CNC brought
it to the attention of In-House, Dave asked me to tone it down. So I
agreed. About 5 minutes later I changed my mind and rather than
compromise my integrity, I ASKED Dave to remove me as a moderator in
the Mastercam Forum because I need to be open to criticize whatever I
feel I need to. He agreed to remove me from being a Moderator in the
Main forum. THAT is the truth.
Speak any more untruths about me Jon and you will find yourself in
some deep legal trouble. Your little sandbox games may work here in
cyberspace but in the real world Freedom of Speech does not entitle
you to spread lies.
Consider this your last warning Jon. I really don't care if you like
me, hate me, whatever. You lie about me that will get you in trouble.
I promise you that.
On Aug 13, 10:15 am, snipped-for-privacy@mastercam-cadcam.com wrote:
A few years back, there was some loser who had beef with Comp Park MX
in Hemet CA. This guy decided it would be cute to sign into an
unmoderated socal MX message board, and pose as the owner of Comp
Park. He put up a few bulletins claiming Comp Park was permanently
closed due to soil contamination.
He was greeted by two FBI agents at his frond door shortly thereafter,
and left in the back of their car. I don't know what ever became of
that guy, but it certainly was an eye opener for a lot of people.
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