Weldment feature review

I just spent several hours at my dealer, evaluating if the weldment feature would work for us. If I were to adopt SW, I would spend 95% of my time working in this feature. I thought I would give my observations here, and see if any others had comments.

The general process is to create a 3d sketch of lines, which represent some edge or center of the tubing you are going to use. Then once you start the process, you select the lines you want a particular profile to be used with. However, all the lines you select for this operation are locked to the same "pierce point". So, if the line represents the outside edge of the tubing on one part of the sketch, but the inside edge on another, you must do them as separate operations. This is not a big deal, until you go to create a cut-list. Each individual operation must have its description manually edited, the description of the profile doesn't come in automatically.

Actually, I realize there may be more graceful solutions to some of this, but the manual really doesn't describe the process in any detail. My dealer's tech guy has had a little training on it, so he was able to make things work with a little trial and error. But the lack of info in the manual may make the feature unusable without this instruction.

The next hassle we ran into was in creating custom profiles. The list of existing profiles is quite limited. Again, nothing in the manual and the process is very tricky because there are a number of special secrets to getting it to work. (You must save as a special file type, but first highlight the sketch name in the feature tree, and the directory where you have your profiles must be the correct number of levels down)

Finally, creating the cut list is quite cumbersome. There are a zillion pitfalls that even an experienced tech support guy has problems with it. There are some instructions online, but a novice can't hope to follow them.

For our purposes, we just accepted the idea that cut-lists are faster, easier, and more accurately done the old fashoned way (with pencil and paper). The profiles are only a one-time hassle to create, and 95% of our work is simple rectangular tubing anyway.

Ultimately, it is still much easier to create weldments inside SW using this technique than if it were not available. My dealer warned me that it might take another release before the feature is really finished. Our company will buy it, because I occasionally have structures for which I need the engineering data I can extract from the SW model. But for most of our stuff, vanilla AutoCAD will be the best choice.

Joe Dunfee

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Smiley
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Joe, I use this feature occasionally so I'm no expert. You're right the information available about this feature is incomplete. My weldments are no complex so my cutlists are not large. Therefore, this feature works reasonably well for me. Since Weldments are a new feature I suspect it will be refined as time goes by. (hopefully) In regards to making new profiles, I struggled, asked my Var, then, when no one could give me a reasonable description of how to create a profile, I opened an existing profile, modified it and "saved as". You just need to add points where you may want to be able to select pierce points. I hope others have more tricks for you. Mike

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Michael Brusich

I had a brief look at it and as You say it doesn't look too funny, what I remember though was that I was able to both pattern and mirror those features, tubes, gussets and endcaps. I struggeled a bit with the cut lengths but gave up due to lack of time. I had rather high expectations on this one coz I do lot of frameworks with both rectangular and square tubes, maybe I have to wait a little (a version or two) befor I start using it then. The old way with config tubes and an assy might be better of for a while yet.

Krister

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Krister L

I have been using weldments extensively since the Pre-Releases and my VAR created a macro that converted all of my Australian BHP steel sections and pipes into the library features required for weldments. If the initial set up and conversion is done thoroughly then each section size will contain all of the custom properties to automatically complete the Weldment Cutlist. I would have posted these library features to our local SW user group website for free dowload, but the process used to create them has made the entire library over 1GB (about 250 MB when zipped) - my VAR is having another look at the macro to see if it can be modified to overcome this growth in file size.

You should note that you will need to add a number of additional points to weldment sketches to allow the profile to be located better (e.g. a circle will need a at least a point at each quadrant, plus centre point).

You can also create standard library features for items such as cleats, baseplates, lifting lugs, etc; however, any custom properties will not be added to the cut list. You will also find that plate items (gussets, etc.) will have zero custom properties when you create it's cut list item - these will have to be added individually.

Note that 3D sketches have some limitiations over normal sketches (you cannot add a mid point relationship, equal relationships, etc. so you are best to make the first sketch a 'standard' planar sketch (e.g. the plan or front elevation) and then attach your 3D sketches to the points on the planar sketch - this will make your layout sketches drive much easier.

Regards

Merry :-)

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Merry Owen

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