I've checked three of my reference books and find no record of the GN
ever owning a yellowstone. I found record of many 2-6-8-0, 2-8-8-0, and
2-8-8-2s but no yellowstones. It is possible that they may have leased
some from the DM&IR like the NP did.
The GN never owned a 'Yellowstone' class engine(that should be
2-8-8-4). GN did own some rather massive 'R' class 2-8-8-2 locomotives,
and a pair of 4-6-6-4 'Challengers' that we acquired in a swap with SP&S
- IIRC. The NP owned 'Yellowstones', and they were not loaners from the
DM&IR as another post implies. The D&RGW did lease DM&IR 2-8-8-4's
during WWII, but not the NP(unless someone has records of a lease)....
I don't think they ever did. MTH sells an O scale DM&IR Yellowstone, with
greyish-green paint on the boiler. I don't know enough about the prototype to
know whether this is legitimate, but it looks very much like a GN paint scheme
if one can't see the logo on the tender...
GN never had a "Yellowstone" (2-8+8-4) type.
GN did have 2-6+6-2, 2-8+8-0, and 2-8+8-2 articulated types.
But, if they'd ever had a Yellowstone, it would almost surely have had
green jackets like the others (in the appropriate time frame). After
W.W.-II most GN locos just got painted black.
Some of the DM&IR Yellowstones DID have a greenish gray boiler jacket.
Others were just black. I'm no DM&IR expert, but it may have been a
'vintage' factor, just like on the Great Northern. After W.W-II, much of
any remaining steam turned black ... or, sadly, rust colored.
Marc Ramsey wrote:
The GN steamers had 'Glacier Green' jacketing(just about all engines at one
had this scheme). The DM&IR had a 'grey' jacketing, (at least on the
'Yellowstones'). The NP Northerns had an 'off black' mix that some have
as 'Duckbill Green' - you have to look real close to tell it. It is my
understanding that some of the larger D&RGW steam may have had a special paint on
the jacketing as well.
"Daniel A. Mitchell" wrote:
Since when is the NP (Northern Pacific) the same as the GN (Great
Northern)? And don't bring up BN. The sites listed discuss NP, SP, and
DM&IR Yellowstones. No GN.
E Litella wrote:
The GN steam loco 'boiler green' was most emphatically **NOT** 'Glacier
Green'! Glacier Green was the very vivid rather turquoise bluish-green
(somewhat like NYC Jade Green) used on the 1960's era boxcars and a few
The confusion likely originates with the fact that the most colorful of
the several GN steam loco schemes was called 'Glacier Park' (Kalispel
Division), and these had the green boiler jackets, and green pump and
cylinder jackets (along with most every other GN steam loco of the
period). The 'Glacier Park' locos also had red cab roofs, and silver
smokeboxes. Some had chromed cylinder heads and other refinements. Aside
from the green jackets, these other color embellishments were NOT
standard across the system (though there were many variations).
The matter was further clouded when Bachmann painted their early HO 'GN'
(not hardly) 2-8-0 in a turquoise color. This was patterened off the GN
P-2 mountain on display in Wilmar, MN. It WAS that color! It didn't
start off that way though ... it was an extreme example of color
shifting due to weathering. Th epaint was NOT 'real' GN paint, but just
somehting that somebody brewed up that MAY have been 'ok' when put on,
but changed dramatically. Unfortuantely, Bachmann copied this sad
example. To their credit, Bahmann corrected this, somewhat, in later
runs. Still not right, but much better. And the real P2 at Wilmar was
repainted black the last time I saw it.
Steam loco boiler green was MUCH darker than these other colors, less
green, and had a somewhat blue-grayish cast. GN fans have argued loud
and long on the exact shade, and the correct answer is that there isn't
one. It varied due to MANY factors: with time, location, paint batch,
and weathering. Surviving color photos are also shifted due to lighting
conditions, exposure, film choice, filter used, and color shifts in the
film emulsion due to aging. But 'GN Boiler Green' wasn't forest green
(WAY too green), or pullman green (not dark enough, and too olive), and
certainly not glacier green. Some of the GN brass models and even MTH's
R2 come pretty close ... well within acceptable limits anyway.
No commercial hobby-paint mix of the color has been made to my
knowledge. There are, or have been, several other GN greens, however.
Jim Bernier wrote:
I agree that the 'Glacier Green' of boxcar fame is not the same as
'Glacier Park' steam engines. The Wilmar engine did really get that
awfull color - my sources have told me that the GN did use some boxcar
paint for the jacketing(maybe just another 'urban legend').
I have seen some so-called 'custom painters' use 'Gacier Green' frt
car paint at times! But I agree that the 'Glacier Park' green is much
darker - sorry for confusion in my post....
"Daniel A. Mitchell" wrote: