Horizon Mail Order Policy

Just some info to feed into the great Athearn/Horizon debate.
I sent off an inquiry to Horizon to clarify some points that have been brought
up on the newsgroup.
Here's the deal:
Horizon has been reviewing the needs for distribution of model railroad
products. This included discussion of what to do about Internet sales. They
have decided to offer products to Internet only suppliers. However there are
stipulations. These Internet only suppliers must be an commercial business.
They must have commercial warehouses, websites via there own servers (not an
AOL or yahoo web site), secure ordering on line, etc. in order to qualify.
There are a couple of your favorite on line entities that will becoming Horizon
dealers in the next week.
This means that an Internet entity such as Internet Trains will continue
to carry Athearn products. I'd also note that although Internet Trains has on
there web site a "disclaimer" that they are an Internet only operation and are
a newly authorized Athearn Dealer. They have in fact a relationship to a retail
operation of another name thus qualifying under previous requirements. The
retail operation although a stand alone provides the umbrella coverage
required.
So mail order sites such as Standard Hobbies and the like can in fact get
Athearn and other railroad products from Horizon. It's the small independent
basement operator that will not be able to purchase from Horizon.
Hopefully this will shed some more light on the issue.
Dave
Jacksonville, FL
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Dave Henk
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Interesting development. Thanks Dave.
Art
Reply to
Art Marsh
Well there you go, if this is fact that takes care of the internet sales arguement.
Jim
Reply to
Jim Stanton
Dave, while this news has SOME good news with it....it doesn't solve the most important issue, the pricing that Horizon will be able to charge for the Athearn product now.
What about prices? What is Horizon saying about their pricing? since this take over we've seen price increases already on products that are now and being offered in RTR, and products that are not out yet on the market.
John Binford
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wearing fire retardent suit
Hold on there. Most small companies don't have their own web servers and are in fact hosted on some ISP's computer with their own domain name. Now does Horizon mean you have to have your own server (expensive equipment, T-1 line, etc.), or your own domain name (reasonable assumption)? I can understand not selling to snipped-for-privacy@yahoo.com, but how about snipped-for-privacy@joeblowstrains.com, who may or may have his own web server or may just be hosted somewhere?
I think that statement of theirs needs clarification.
Jay CNS&M North Shore Line - "First and fastest"
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JCunington
The almost certainly meant domain name, not server. I can see why they would want you to have your own domain, I can't possibly imagine why they would care whether you had your own server or not. (Particularly since it appears that Horizon doesn't have their own server! At least not owned by them, although it may be dedicated.)
Peter King in NY
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Peter King
The customer still controls the price. That is, if you refuse to pay exorbitant markups.
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Corelane
If Horizon were to raise the retail price of Athearn dramatically you can bet we will see action from other distributors to counter that by discounting other name brands. Or we'll see a greater emphasis on making us aware of those other brands. We will see that anyway I believe.
Horizon is under the microscope with this. We know they have the ability to make a large capital investment let's wait and see how they handle growth.
You think some of the posters here are up-in-arms over the Horizon deal imagine how some of the smaller distributors must feel now that they cannot get Athearn products. In theory they are going to give it everything they have to compete with Horizon and try to compete with them. How? By going after OUR business. This could inspire some companies to put more emphasis on us the consumer.
Jim
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Jim Stanton
Good Morning All,
I for one will be a very interested individual to see what is said at the East Coast Hobby Show in Ft. Washington, Pa on the last weekend of March. That will be almost 4 weeks after "A"Day, March 1st. I will be able to attend the Friday night showing that is for the trade only and will be interested to see what store owners and others are told of the current state of the Athearn business and their future expectations.
Bob Rule, Jr. Hatboro, Pa.
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EBTBOB
"Dave Henk" wrote
Internet Trains doesn't have their own servers, nor do they have their own secure shopping cart. They use Yahoo's. That's two items that according to your information, disqualifies them from being an Horizon/Athearn source.
Reply to
Dont Know My Name
Wonder what they consider to be a 'warehouse'?
Reply to
MrRathburne
Good question. I suppose it would require a commercial lease of some sort. So, the "barn out back" probably wouldn't qualify. Some distributors require that you be in a commercially-zoned area.
I also suspect they wouldn't allow any sort of self-storage facility.
But that's just my speculation.
Peter King in NY
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Peter King
MrRathburne:
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Steve Caple
Your speculation is in fact correct. Guess I need to write more like a lawyer and leave no "loop holes" for more speculation.
Dave
Reply to
Dave Henk
Horizon has there own computer systems maintained in house by their own folks. I've talked with them periodically about their vendor software and web site. Others such as Sentai Distributors have there server off site.
Dave
Reply to
Dave Henk
It's "Own domain".
Dave
Reply to
Dave Henk
This is interesting. Being cynical about the whole deal, I sort of think this is Horizon setting up a bunch of hoops they know will keep the vast majority of internet dealers from 'qualifying', but, allows them to spin it and say they 'sell to internet dealers'.
Maybe not, we will know better in 6-12 months when I or Dave owe the other a beer.
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MrRathburne
"Dave Henk" wrote
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No they don't. You're getting some bad information out of Horizon, or maybe between you and your Horizon informant, someone doesn't understand the Internet sufficiently tp post accurate information.
WHOIS: hobbyshopnow.com
Registrant: HORIZON HOBBY DISTRIBUTORS, INC. (HOBBYSHOPNOW-DOM) 4105 Fieldstone Road CHAMPAIGN, IL 61822 US
Domain Name: HOBBYSHOPNOW.COM
Administrative Contact: HORIZON HOBBY DISTRIBUTORS, INC. (I5450-OR) snipped-for-privacy@horizonhobby.com 4105 Fieldstone Road CHAMPAIGN, IL 61822 US 2173521913 fax: 123 123 1234
Technical Contact: Shouting Ground Technologies, Inc. (DN447-ORG) snipped-for-privacy@SHOUT.NET Shouting Ground Technologies, Inc. 105 S. Walnut St. Champaign, IL 61820 US 217-351-7921 fax: 217-351-7922
Record expires on 18-Dec-2005. Record created on 18-Dec-2001. Database last updated on 3-Feb-2004 02:50:34 EST.
Domain servers in listed order:
NS-00.SHOUT.NET 66.209.192.5 NS-01.SHOUT.NET 66.209.192.15
Reply to
Dont Know My Name
From Shout.nets webpages,
Web Page Hosting Domain Name Serving, Virtual Hosting, Server Co-Hosting.
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Actually, It could still be all three choices shown. the WHOIS search does not provide all the information needed. I have seen the below information passed when only DNS was used. Looking at the prices, they are a bit on the expensive side.
I will go out on a limb and say they are acting as the DNS Host for Horizon (per the supplied contact email address snipped-for-privacy@SHOUT.NET). The mail address states DNS Administrator and I cannot think of any other reason to contact that title directly. But the Horizon Servers could be co-located/hosted by Shout just as easy. Also I see no reference to co-location on their website.
I use a similar company to DNS host my inhouse Domain Servers but at less than half Shout's fee schedule.
Back to work.
Art
Reply to
Art Marsh
I for one think that the T-Shirt is a hilarious. I love it. Tells it like it is.... Sorry if all you have in your life is your model RR Paul, but some of us do get out in the world and like to share what we have seen.
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wannandcan

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