"ray" now copyrighted

No, just a mockery of the supposition that you can copyright a word. Can't.

Toy's "R" Us won a suit some years ago because some schmoe was trying to use the backwards R in his business name. They (Toys R Us) claimed it would make people think it was run by the Toys "R" Us chain. Toys won, at least in the sense of you can't use the backward (and possibly forward) R in your business name in conjunction with the word "us". They did not get a copyright on the letter R, but the _style_ of the sign and pattern of naming. Likewise McDonalds with all its myriad "Mc" products.

So, your argument that you can copyright the use of the word "haggis" is specious at best. You can trademark your logo, but forget the word.

'Nuff said.

Jay CNS&M Wireheads of the world, unite!

Just ditch your Outhouse Excess and get Gravity, Mozilla, Opera, Agent, or something else written by competent (e.g., non-MS) programmers.

I don't doubt that artwork would fit on any model railroad car...I have boxes and boxes full of freight cars that are totally littered with the artwork of various railroads. The heralds and "logos" of the various railroads are copyrightable artwork. If the "artwork" couldn't fit on model RR cars, then I wouldn't have bought them in the first place.

How many times are you going to re-post this same message?

them in the first place.< I think you didn't understand my point about the artwork. You are going to have a hard time fitting a 20' stencil on the side of an HO boxcar. Most of us know by now (discounting modern UP practices) that the artwork on older cars was sign painters work and not printer fonts. This has been discussed forever on most of the "prototype" lists! So most if not all of the decals made are not exact (but very close) copies of what was on say a 1940 boxcar. Some decals work is from pictures but just the fact that the angle can't be guaranteed makes the lettering somewhat off. If you can't understand that then this discussion is ended.

So your contention is that only the original, full size artwork is protected, and scaled down copies are not.

I think you are the one who does not understand the concept here. A image that is trademarked is covered regardless of size and the degeree of accuracy from the copy.

Trying to slip past UP, or any other company trying to protect their assets using this argument is likley to land you in court, and you will loose.

I don't like this any more than anyone else, but there is nothing we can do about it.

Doug Menke

We could take a page from Gen. William Sheman's play book and tear up their rails and bend them in loops around poles to express our displeasure. I'm sure that would put a crimp in the hauling freight thing. Might get their attention.

Sherman Hill Neckties anyone? ;-)

Eric

Douglas E. Menke wrote:

"Face it, they don't care about us having to shell out another few bucks for a UP model, and boycotting them isen't going to make them care. They are not in the business of selling UP merchandise, they are in the business of hauling freight."

Yeah, well, I copyrighted the letter "r", so "ray" will be hearing from my lawyer soon.

except for me.

I don't like you, so stop using my letter.

Yeah, sure -- like any of us actually believe that it was the programming that caused the message to get posted four times in a row.

Anyone can search Google for "gravity multiple posts" "mozilla multiple posts" or "opera multiple posts" and quickly see that the explanation you're giving is a PILE OF DOG S*IT - multiple posts can occur with any news eader -- it's the operator, not the software.

Competent (e.g., non-MS) programmers? All of those programs you mentioned have had multiple post problems. Save your crock of dog crap for a different newsgroup, not rec.models.railroad.

If I had one I'd mail it to Dick Cheney.

I think YOU miss the point. And a logo that's the same at 20 feet across or two inches across is the same...only minaturized. And most "lettering" was done stensil style. I've seen videos and photographs of the "Southern" and how they applied their lettering (or fonts as you might call it) to their box cars. I'm sure the UP uses similar methods. Back in 1940, things were probably done a little different, but in the 70's and beyond, it's done a little more modern.

I thought you're supposed to put it in a paper bag and light it up on the front porch...

Jay CNS&M Wireheads of the world, unite!

I don't know about a copyright on the word but the word "Ray" is trademarked by Blockbuster Inc. 1201 Elm Street Dallas TEXAS 75270

CBix

Those Bastards!

Bruce