Re: New Athearn Steam & CF7

They were oil burners, I believe.

-John

Cleburne F-7 has always been what I thought it meant.

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That's the point. MR didn't know that, and didn't even "walk across the hall" to ask the guys at Trains.

Brian

Brian, the remark was clearly facetious.

Den

snipped-for-privacy@mb-m18.aol.com,

You need to lighten up, Brian. If memory serves, (and it usually does even at my advanced age) the whole exchange was facetious -- both question and answer. I know it's hard to believe, but sometimes in a hobby people do things and write things just to have fun. :)

Den

We'll have to agree to disagree on this one.

Brian

What issue was this in? Who was the author? Has MR really slipped that far?

Eric

Brian Paul Ehni wrote:

This is a direct quote from this month's Model Railroader; the same magazine who, when asked "How did the coal get from the tender to the firebox on SP's cab forwards?" responded "Gee. We don't know!"

Happened years ago; I don't recall the issue date.

Brian

Santa Fe had a substantial number of F3s as well, and I'm sure some of them made it into the CF7 rebuilding program... but all of them were designated CF7, as in the end there was no difference.

Andy

Dennis E. Golden ( snipped-for-privacy@warwick.net) wrote: : The footnote went on to say that there was one group or one engine : (I forget now the exact number) of the AC series (AC standing for : Articulated Consolidation) that could not run cab forward because : it was a coal burner. So there was no lack of knowledge involved. :

That was the AC-9 class built by Lima.

More info including a photo at:

--Jerry Leslie (my opinions are strictly my own) Note: snipped-for-privacy@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for email

I traded slides with a guy way back then in the 70's who worked in the Cleburn shops. He sent me a slide of every newly rebuilt CF7 (which is what he called them) as they were finished, a few just in primer with temp numbers stenciled on. He said they were all rebuilt from cab unit Fs, all upgraded to the same standard so therefore the F3s would have been upgraded to the same as the F7s. Worst part of it all is I only know where a few of those slides are now (he sent me a hundred or so while we traded. He retired, moved to Florida and that was the end of our trading. :-(

Dave

AND the AC-9 WAS NOT a cab forward; it was a normal (cab behind) layout.

Brian

I thought that's what we both said.

Den

Just trying to be clear on the matter. I've got one of the Max Gray AC-9s, and it is a HOSS. 8^)

Brian

Max Grey imported some really neat stuff.

Den

If you remember his name, try and find him in FL. Do a 'net search. Then try contacting him.

You could preserve hundreds of images for the nest generation.

Eric

Dave wrote:

Worst part of it all is I only know where a few of those slides are now (he sent me a hundred or so while we traded. He retired, moved to Florida and that was the end of our trading. :-(

Thought of that when this subject came up. His name doesn't show up even with a search of the entire country. He retired from SF in late 70's at 66 so he probably could be dead by now or at least drooling on himself unable to figure out who he is. I bet his photo and slide collection was worth a fortune (to rail enthusaists at least).

Dave

It all depends on where you're from, Gene. Here in New York Central territory everyone knows a 4-8-2 isn't a Mountain but a Mohawk, and a 4-8-4 isn't a Northern but a Niagara. (Of course some DL&W holdouts will refer to it as a Pocono.

In fact there are, I am told, some misguided souls (like a certain VERY OLD ex navy type in Gainesville, Florida that I could name,) who insist on referring to a 4-6-4 HUDSON as a ball-tick, (or something sounding like that).:>))

Getting back to Espee, they always referred to their 2-10-2s as decapods, because they weren't about to name anything Santa Fe after their competition.

And finally, on the Chesapeake and Allegheny Western, a 2-10-4 is known as a St.Lawrence.

Den

On Sun, 6 Jul 2003 11:39:31 UTC, snipped-for-privacy@aol.comOpFoot (STEAM GENE) wrote: 2000

It was a 4-8-8-2. The four wheel truck was a true lead truck as well as supporting the firebox. The articulation hinge points were set up to run cab-forward and finally the tender was at the smokebox end.