as per subject - am keen to find out if/where I might find a nice
Stephenson's Rocket, with all its trappings. In Australia if possible, but
from an online retailer is totally fine too.
Steve, Melbourne Australia
The only one I know of was Triang-Hornby's in OO. I have one, it looks
nice, and runs, er, um, reasonably well. (Motor is in the tender, under
the water barrel.) There is probably a live-steam large-scale one out
there too, if you want to spend in the 4 or 5 figure range. Hornby built
one of those a few decades ago, too. Neither Hoirnby loco is in
production at present AFAIK, but an e-bay serach may find one for you.
IMO, an O scale Rocket would be a good seller. Large enough for all the
authentic detail (not that there was much - it was a very plain engine),
and small enough to put in case on the mantel, or in the knick-knack
case. There are lot of people who would like historical models, not just
Have seen both - just thought there may have been others ..... seems odd to
me that these wouldn't be popular enough to have in a range continuously.
I would get both scales if I could. The live steam one does have a good
level of detail and a bunch of track.....
AFAIK there are/were three possibilities"
Dapol - unpowered plastic kit. Quite a nice model.
Hornby - powered model from about 1970. Some moderate liberties.
Marketted in Germany by Trix in the mid-70s.
? A Swiss firm made a live steamer in something approaching HO scale
years back. It was recognisable as the Rocket.
thanks for the replies
There were two 0 gauge models for sale in the UK on eBay for a buy-it-now of
around 220 pounds each, which I thought was a lot. They didn't achieve a
single bid, so I guess I was right.
The bigger versions would allow for more detail and look great in my Display
cabinet - I might just have to dig around and find a set of plans and
scratch build one - it MUST have the carriage with it though ..... that
thing is so cute!
Alternately I would love to see pics of Stephenson's next locomotive as
apparently they solved the terrible jolting by placing the piston drivers
more horizontal...... this would be interesting.
Still, I honestly find it surprising that The Rocket is not in permanent
production, along with "that American Loco with the hug cow-catcher on the
front" - no idea what that one was called.
Thanks for replying!
I recognise every one of those words as English, yet all put together like
that I can't make them out
Does Export refer to a type of Locomotive?
Is a pilot a person or a guide or ......?
I don't know what the leading truck is, so if you could explain I would be
The Rocket was altered in service quite quickly, with obvious changes being
lowered cylinders and a smoke-box being added to the front of the boiler. There
is a long out of print "Profile Publications" booklet detailing the alterations.
The booklet was also published with about a dozen other railway subjects in
hard-cover book form.
A number of US railroads purchased Stephenson locos before there was a US loco
building industry. They were of various wheel arangements, but all 2 or 3 axle
types. (not counting tenders)
A pilot is a "cow catcher"
A leading truck is an extra axle/wheels added in front of the driving wheels
to carry some weight and to help guide the loco along the track.
The extra axle added to the "John Bull" isn't actually a truck because it
didn't have any pivoting arrangement, only vertical movement.
The original was shipped as an 0-4-0 but the subsequent alterations included
removing the coupling rods so the loco as modelled by Bachmann was a 4-2-0
with odd sized carrying wheels.
thanks again for the replies!
I am now "in the know" as to the terms used.
In addition, my new knowledge about the Rocket's migration to the USA means
I have a world of MORE research to do, which is great!
In addition I now have Bachmann on my list of early-mid 19th century
locomotives to consider
(this is fun)
I have Bachmann's Norris loco (4-2-0) in my collection. I don't know if I got
the only good one or if they are all to the same standard, but mine is a
beautiful scale model and operates like something costing ten times as much!
Bachmann "Prussia" Norris 4-2-0 or a Rocket?
The Norris works exported a lot of locos to Europe and even opened a factory in
Just why Bachmann made a model of a specific US loco that was sold in Germany
and then only marketted it in the USa, I'll never figure. It is currently
available, but in a US colour scheme.
In Britain the Birmingham and Gloucester even had some, and used on
freight trains up the Lickey incline.
They produced it in 2 versions. With a tiny motor in the firebox, and
with a tender drive.
The former performed surprisingly well because it picked up from the
front truck as well as the driving wheels, giving a flexible wheelbase
for power collection.
The latter is like a half-inch ling 0-4-0 and performs like a dog.
I am trying to get data on them in order to decide which to display in a
First idea was to have the 3.5inch Rocket directly behind the hornby OO
version, which I thought would look very nice.
Then I discovered that modified versions were available from Bachmann etc.
and are still produced, therefore relatively well-priced compared to the
BTW The 3.5 inch Live steam version with carriages and full track just sold
on eBay for more than $1000 aussie dollars!!!!! Bloody amazing!
Please let me have any links containing more detail if possible