z scale Marklin Pacific

A Pacific would be a 4-6-2. A 4-6-4 is a Hudson.

Except on the Milwaulkee a 4-6-4 is a "Baltic". Go figure..........

"John Franklin" wrote in news:6plSd.2672$ snipped-for-privacy@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net:

And on the NC&StL, a Northern was referred to as a "Dixie".

Isn't that "A 4-6-4 is a Baltic, except where the NYC tried to rename it to a Hudson"?

It was called a "Baltic" _first_, predating both the Milwaukee design and the NYC rollout, and that _is_ the official designation according to the Whyte classification system as based on information reprinted in the Train Shed Cyclopedia, from the 1916 Locomotive Dictionary, 4th edition, Roy V. Wright, ed. Simmons-Boardman Publishing Co, pgs 149-151.

Notice that there are a number of similar locomotive types that came into existance around the same time that are all named for seas/oceans:

2-6-4 Adriatic 4-4-2 Atlantic 4-6-2 Pacific 4-6-4 Baltic

This has come up here before: See the previous thread at:

Joe Ellis replied:

*** according to the Whyte classification system ***

----------------------------------------------------- Here's a good chart with the different locomotive "names" and wheel arrangements:

Bill Bill's Railroad Empire N Scale Model Railroad: History of N Scale: Railroad Bookstore: to 1,000 sites:

thanks for correcting the typo. Do you know the minimum radius of the marklin loco?

tia, ricky

Hiya Norman, even tho I live in Nashville, I don't have the heart to go see 576 in Centennial park. I am afraid I will cry when I see her in her "bedraggled" condition. She looked pretty sad in the pics on the NC&StL society page. Don't people realize that these steamers are a NATIONAL TREASURE! THEY NEED to be RUNNING not ROTTING in a park. Well guess I can get involved, I was involved with 4449 in Portland. I guess Portland Oregon should feel lucky to have 2 operating 4-8-4's SP 4449 and SP&S 700. Just as an aside, in '97 they had the centennial celebration at Portland's Union station. They had 700 and

4449 there on the tracks outside the station, AND the WP&Y 3 foot gauge 2-8-2. ALL were under steam. It was cool to step out the station doors to the departure and arrival tracks and see live steam there. Like I had stepped back into time. Steam has so much personality!

John

It will certainly run on the larger Marklin radii of 7-11/16" and

8-11/16th", but these are still "sharp" curves per NMRA rec. practice. The smallest Marklin radius is 5-3/4", and it will probably run on that, too. But on these sharp radii, it will not look very good. I would run it on larger curves if possible, for looks. Try 12" or larger.

I've seen some Z layouts, and while very small ones are possible, the larger ones with wider curves look much, much nicer. For some reason, sharp curves look even sharper on Z scale layouts - something to do with how much of the train you can at one time, I think.

BTW, a very smooth track base is essential at this small scale, where a millimeter (1/25th inch) high bump corresponds to 8-1/2" in real life.

HTH&GL

Yup. A lot of roads tried, with varying success, to rename a wheel arrangemnt for their own purposes. NYC and the "Hudson" is likely the most successfull attempt. The "Hudson" name is now pretty much standard for a 4-6-4 in North America.

Similarly, NYC tried the same with the 4-8-4 ... their name "Niagara" stuck on their own locos, but the "Northern" remained standard on most other roads. Ditto for the 4-8-2 and the "Mohawk" vs. "Mountain" name.

G.N. tried naming their 4-8-4's "Montana", but that didn't even 'take' well on their own railroad.

Dan Mitchell ============

The Southern Pacific was more or less successful in renaming the 2-10-2. On the SP the 2-10-2 was a decapod or just "Deck". I think one could get one's self fired for calling it a "Santa Fe". Then, of course, I don't know of any other railroads that operated 4-10-2s except the Union Pacific and the Southern Pacific, which named the machine "Southern Pacific". The Union Pacific used them and called them "Overlands", but I think "Southern Pacific" is the name that has stuck.

RE: Baltic. There is a lot of misinformation on the www about this type, but there is no doubt that the Baltic label predates the Alco/NYC collaboration of 1927 which was named Hudson. I am not even positive that the 1927 Alco machine was the first of the wheel arrangement in North America. I think maybe not. It is, however, the best known example. The most beautiful 4-6-4s that operated in North America were arguably those of the CMStP&P, aka Milwaukee Road. Canadian 4-6-4s are in the top ranking as well, right up there with the Milwaukee. The CP 2800s were strikingly good-looking machines. I suppose there is something about the visual balance of a Baltic type that makes it pleasing to the eye.

CH

The 2-10-2's on the SP were called class F, I guess the F stood for "Fe" as in Santa Fe as they had the 2-10-2's first. The AT&SF shared trackage in the Tahachapi Mtns. in Calif. Even the SP crews thot the AT&SF

2-10-2's had the best sounding whistles.

The most beautiful 4-6-4s that operated in North America were arguably

I agree the Milwaukee 4-6-4's had the look of a big loco as did the massive C&O 4-6-4's. The NYC 4-6-4's didn't have that much more TE than some of the heavy Pacifics on the SP. NYC Hudsons were just more plentiful, and photographed.