Oil filter search?

Does anyone know of a source of info for comparing oil filter elements by dimensions? I need several obsolete paper elements, Croslands used to do them but have discontinued (they are obtainable from the engine makers {Kelvin} but at a silly price). If I can find something with similar, maybe slightly smaller, dimensions it should be possible to sort out an adaptation. The ones I need are 245 x 95 mm overall.

Thanks Tim

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Tim, What model Kelvin is it? My AP book gives AP26 or AP308 for a few Kelvin models but they are not of the dimension you describe.

AP169 and AP 171 are 252mm by 95 mm with 49mm bore. I also have equivalents if you know the Crosland number so could C/R

Eric

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Two, R6 and T series (specifically T6/8 and TASC8), I haven't checked the dimensions between T & R but I think they're the same, the ones I gave are for the R engine. A TASC engine + gearbox can have four identical filters, and at over 50 quid apiece from Kelvins it soon adds up :-( I've got the Crosland numbers somewhere, I'll try to dig them out.

Thanks Tim

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Just to add, the Crosland number for the T engine oil filter is 231, I'm told that the 207 (also obsolete) will serve. Also a source of fuel filter elements, Crosland 9359 or equivalent, would be handy. These are obtainable with a struggle from sources other than Kelvin, but they're not not cheap either!

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Tim, No luck I am afraid. My AP book goes back to 1963. Under Kelvin, for T6 and

8 (TASC8) it gives AP26 for oil and AP188 for fuel. These C/R as Cros 419 or 420 oil and Cros 678 for fuel.

The very nearest, dimensionwise is 254mm by 95mm by 49mm bore which is for lube or hyd and is AP 46 which does not C/R to Crosland. That's 9mm compression which is a lot.

Cros 207, Cros 231 and Cros 9359 are not listed.

Have you considered using two ( or three!!) similar dias but shorter end to end as a multiple?

Sorry cannot help further but always worth a try.

Eric

Just to add, the Crosland number for the T engine oil filter is 231, I'm told that the 207 (also obsolete) will serve. Also a source of fuel filter elements, Crosland 9359 or equivalent, would be handy. These are obtainable with a struggle from sources other than Kelvin, but they're not not cheap either!

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Eric Brain

Eric Thanks again for looking. Does your book list anything for the Kelvin R6? Interesting that the equivalents you have for the T are different from mine Do the Crosland numbers you have listed (or AP equivalents) tie up with the dimensions I gave?

I've come up with, by a roundabout route, the Baldwin PT670 which is

100 x 236, with 40.5 id. and used in several makes of construction machinery so can probably be found in the UK without too much trouble. I could make up a sealing washer for the bottom which doubles as a packing piece. They're only about $12 each in the US, so even at $1 =3D =A31 it's worth looking into.

Cheers Tim

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No, nothing for an R6 and no they do not tie up at all. My guess is that the filtration, whilst the Kelvin is made as a basic type, was to installation spec.

No X -ref to Baldwin at all, it goes from Armstrong to Bosch, and in the sizes chart there is nothing even approaching that size for either dimension.

Certainly you have a problem there but I guess you have to use your idea or compound a couple of filters to total the full correct length.

Well I tried!!

cheers Eric

Eric Thanks again for looking. Does your book list anything for the Kelvin R6? Interesting that the equivalents you have for the T are different from mine Do the Crosland numbers you have listed (or AP equivalents) tie up with the dimensions I gave?

I've come up with, by a roundabout route, the Baldwin PT670 which is

100 x 236, with 40.5 id. and used in several makes of construction machinery so can probably be found in the UK without too much trouble. I could make up a sealing washer for the bottom which doubles as a packing piece. They're only about $12 each in the US, so even at $1 = £1 it's worth looking into.

Cheers Tim

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Eric Brain

Eric

I certainly appreciate your trying. Kelvins did make a change at some point, certainly for the R6 and I suspect also for the T engines. When I rang them they asked 'is it the old type or the later type?', though visually, externally, you wouldn't know there had been a change. I've ordered one of the Baldwin elements, so that I can experiment with it.

Thanks again Tim

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Tim

I haven't read all the replies so far because my news server slows to a crawl at this time of day, however I strongly recommend that you try these people:

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They've dug me out of the poo in the past a few times by finding hydraulic and engine filters for a grey import minidigger of mine.

Julian.

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