Miller 210 (Best place/price to purchase?)

I would check out IOC. They are located in Indiana and seem to have great prices. I have ordered from them in the past and have been pleased. They have an ebay store that they do their online sales through:

The Millermatic 210 is listed for $1179.87 with free shipping.

Weldingmart.com is about the same price your miller welder. I saw something that got eye the ESAB Multi-Process Welder, Multimaster 260 -12ft.

208/230vac. A multiprocess welding system w/cart built in tool box, heavy duty four drive roll stan mig gun, dual "easy-on" cylinder tray. This my be alot more than what your looking for, specs list below the link.

Check it out, I like to hear your feed back.

Rated DCCV or DCCC Output (10 min base)

-50% duty cycle (NEMA Class I) ................ 260 amps @ 27 vdc Output Current Range

-Mig (GMAW) ............................................................

35-300 amps

-Tig (GTAW) ..............................................................

10-300 amps

-Stick (SMAW) ...........................................................

40-300 amps Open Circuit Voltage

-Mig (MGAW) ....................................................................... 70 vdc

-Tig (TGAW) ......................................................................... 20 vdc

-Stick (SMAW) ...................................................................... 70 vdc Primary Input Voltage & Current @ 260 amp rated load

-208/230 vac, 60 Hz, 1 ph ...................................... 57/52 amps Wire Feed Range ................................ 65-675 ipm (1.6 - 17.3 m/min) Net Weight ............................................................ 250 lbs. (112.5 kg) Shipping Weight .................................................. 290 lbs. (130.5 kg) W x L x H ...... 25.3 in. (64 cm) x 39.5 in. (100 cm) x 33.5 in. (85 cm)

have you check in to lincoln power mig 215 ?

they seem to claim that their machine has an output range from 30 -250 amp.

same price as the miller 210 miller claims 30-210A out put.

duty cycle looks pretty much the same l>I've been looking at the Miller 210. Compared

Please ignore welding manufacturers amperage output claims. The output a transformer machine is directly limited by it's supply circuit. A transformer machine is not going to output anything close to 250 amps while running from a 30 amp 220 volt single phase circuit. Once agin the marketing guys got control of the rating system and threw away the real numbers.

This is akin to saying a Hobart Handler 140 can output 140 amps.

BULLSHIT. It is a 90 amp welder and that is that.

Self contained MIG welders come in 4 sizes and they have changed little in the last 20 years.

110 volt - 20 amp input, 90 amp output 220 volt - 30 amp input, 150 amp output 220 volt - 30 amp input, 175 amp output 220 volt - 50 amp input, 200 amp output

I am talking real welding amps here, not marketing hype. At school we have a Betamig 200 with just as much welding power as our Millermatic 250X's.

I am hoping that the welding industry comes to it's senses soon, because it is getting out of hand.

The new Handler 140 is just silly.

The justification for the Handler 135 was that you could get 135 amps out if you happen to have a 45 amp 110 volt outlet...........sure and I have some lovely swamp land in florida for sale cheap.

To get 140 amps out they will need to invent an outlet that doesn't even exist in he NEMA charts, a 50 amp 110 volt outlet.

Overestimating output power simply leads to dissapointed customers, once they realize the REAL output limits of their machines.

Sorry for the rant guys, but this really ticks me off.

Rant away Ernie, let it fly ..... I am listening !!! :-) want to hear and learn about the options.

lincoln say powermig215 will draw 45/41 amp at rated output with the

115V aux. receptacle drawing 15 amp that troubles me how they got a 115 V receptacle on a 220 V machine without having a neutral wire present. unles they let that 115V fly through the ground wire.

anyhow..... what is your take on that ESAB multiprocess 260

260 amp output at 50% duty cycle , so it must be able to pump out 260 amp

Might be nice but it's out of my price range.

ESAB is really not a good thing to ask me about. I start spitting up blood and the veins pop out on my neck in a most disturbing way.

To put it bluntly, I don't like ESAB machines made in America, or at least the ones assembled in America. The european inverters are a bit better.

If you take the time to compare a ESAB machine with it's Miller or Lincoln counterparts, (and I mean actually look around inside the machine, not go to the website ) you will see a vast difference in the quality of the companents. ESAB is very cheap in it's parts.

If you hook up a ESAB Multi-master to a 60 amp 220 v circuit and crank up the voltage and wire feed to the max and lay a weld bead while reading an ammeter, I suspect you will see it hit 260 amps and maybe even go higher, but that has nothing to do with the real duty cycle of the machine. It is akin to Sears clamping a pair of vicesgrips to the blade of a chop saw, locking the trigger on, hooking the machine up to a 100 amp

110 volt circuit, throwing the switch, measuring the max current draw before the machine incinerates itself and then reverse calculating the horsepower of the motor.

That is what we call "Sears Horsepower" and it is a bad joke with no punchline.

In the old days the ratings of the machines was left to the engineers. They would give a welding machine a number designation that correlated to the amperage the machine could output at around a 60% duty cycle. Hence the Betamig 200 (with a max output amperage of around 260 amps) and the Megamig 300s (with a max output amperage of around 400 amps).

It was a logical, useful and reasonable practice that made sure people bought a large enough machine to really do what they needed.

I have a Betamig 250 and I have run 0.045" Dualshield wire in it. I have to run the machine balls to the wall to run that wire in it, and get good welds on structural steel. It works well, but I make sure that the machine rests for a while between big welds.

I am stretching it to the limit with this wire. I prefer to run 0.035" dualshield wire in it. It is a better match for the majority of what I weld and is much easier on the machine.

I bought my millermatic 185 through welding supplies from IOC and it got lost in route to my home. They sent me another right away. I didn't hesitate to buy my syncrowave tig/stick from them, got the same great service. I'm not affiliated with them, just giving credit where credit is due. good luck, walt

Ernie, they must be good, they use 'em on "monster house"!

walt (waving a cool wet towel on Ernie) : )

OK now I have an ulcer. Thanks.

Nah, just plug it into your 110V 6hp air compressor outlet. :-)

Wayne

Thanks for reminding me. I'm all out of 0.134 horse power light bulbs. Gotta pick some up next time I go shopping.

LOL!