I Don't Want A Machinist To Modify "My Part" / Why Would A Machinist Need To Modify A Customers Part?

On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:56:01 -0700 (PDT), jon_banquer
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"Design Intent" is no longer of concern where you said you were wasting all that time and trouble trying to determine customer design intent before you changed their model.
[ Here I agree there is a big problem that isn't being addressed. This problem often results in the design intent / parametric history being tossed in the trashcan. Solid modeling companies are not providing the tools necessary to keep the design intent / parametrics in place and customers are not putting the pressure on companies like SolidWorks to come up with far better tools to visualize design intent or make it so it doesn't matter like IronCAD seems to have done. ]-Jon Banquer-
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So NOW Design Intent is no longer a concern?
What exactly is your engineering department doing while you say YOU are modifying customer supplied solids?
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Design Intent no longer a concern?
When you import a "Dumb Solid" into Synch-Tech what happened to design intent?
You know where importing strips the solid of it's constraints (design intent)?
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So Design Intent is no longer a concern?
Why are you a self proclaimed CNC Machinist/Programmer asked to modify customer supplied models, what exactly is your engineering department doing while you are hacking and whacking customer files?
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Matt Lombard Author SolidWorks Bible,
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HTH, Tom

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Hey banquer, you jackass, nobody is going to request you to change their model. You are such a dipshit.

In my opinion the people who make this kind of statement are idiots who often show they have no idea how manufacturing works in the real world. The people who make these kinds of statement are morons like Matt Lombard, Joe 788, Tom Brewer, etc. For those who think these worthless idiots have a clue perhaps this video will give you some ideas why a machinist must have the ability to modify a customers part in order to make it.
http://www2.spaceclaim.com/LearnMoreNow/ConseptualDemo.aspx
Jon Banquer San Diego, CA http://jonbanquer.blogspot.com /

On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 21:49:55 -0700 (PDT), jon_banquer
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[ http://3dcadnews.blog.com/3037206 / I'm a CNC machinist/CNC programmer and it's quite common for us to be asked or just expected to modify customers files to help make them manufacturable/ manufacturable at a more reasonable cost. No one wants to pay us for lots of hours to figure out their design intent and more and more customers want the manufactured model to match the designed model. ] -Jon Banquer-
Wouldn't that be a customer, designer, engineer or programmers job before they would pull a machinist off a machine to modify their part?
[ Engineers who don't upload current files to our Intranet. ] -Jon Banquer-
So Jon now we know your company has engineers, what exactly does your engineering department do?
[ Perhaps if you had to deal with this situation as often as I do it might not be so funny as you tried to work with a low level tool like a roll back bar stepping through a ton of features trying not to break anything all the while knowing this was taking way too much time. ] -Jon Banquer-
So Jon, if your statements are true and you really do all of this stuff, what exactly does your engineering department do?
[ Many shops do, Brewer you're just too ignorant / dumb to understand this. ] -Jon Banquer
THAT IS NOT WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN POSTING ALL OVER THE NET THESE PAST FEW MONTHS JON. You have been saying "YOU" have to do it. Now you are changing your story (lie) because you let it slip that your company has an engineering department.
So Jon, if your statements are true, what exactly does your engineering department do while you are trying to determine customer design intent, hacking and whacking the customers models?
Tom

In my opinion the people who make this kind of statement are idiots who often show they have no idea how manufacturing works in the real world. The people who make these kinds of statement are morons like Matt Lombard, Joe 788, Tom Brewer, etc. For those who think these worthless idiots have a clue perhaps this video will give you some ideas why a machinist must have the ability to modify a customers part in order to make it.
http://www2.spaceclaim.com/LearnMoreNow/ConseptualDemo.aspx
Jon Banquer San Diego, CA http://jonbanquer.blogspot.com /

On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 23:16:34 -0700 (PDT), jon_banquer
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[ http://3dcadnews.blog.com/3037206 / I'm a CNC machinist/CNC programmer and it's quite common for us to be asked or just expected to modify customers files to help make them manufacturable/ manufacturable at a more reasonable cost. No one wants to pay us for lots of hours to figure out their design intent and more and more customers want the manufactured model to match the designed model. ] -Jon Banquer-
Wouldn't that be a customer, designer, engineer or programmers job before they would pull a machinist off a machine to modify their part?
[ Engineers who don't upload current files to our Intranet. ] -Jon Banquer-
So Jon now we know your company has engineers.
What exactly does your engineering department do?
[ Perhaps if you had to deal with this situation as often as I do it might not be so funny as you tried to work with a low level tool like a roll back bar stepping through a ton of features trying not to break anything all the while knowing this was taking way too much time. ] -Jon Banquer-
So Jon, if your statements are true and you really do all of this stuff, what exactly does your engineering department do?
[ Many shops do, Brewer you're just too ignorant / dumb to understand this. ] -Jon Banquer
THAT IS NOT WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN POSTING ALL OVER THE NET THESE PAST FEW MONTHS JON. You have been saying "YOU" have to do it. Now you are changing your story (lie) because you let it slip that your company has an engineering department.
So Jon, if your statements are true, what exactly does your engineering department do while you are trying to determine customer design intent, hacking and whacking the customers models?
Tom