I Don't Want A Machinist To Modify "My Part" / Why Would A Machinist Need To Modify A Customers Part?

In my opinion the people who make this kind of statement are idiots who often show they have no idea how manufacturing works in the real world. The people who make these kinds of statement are morons like Matt Lombard, Joe 788, Tom Brewer, etc. For those who think these worthless idiots have a clue perhaps this video will give you some ideas on why a machinist must have the ability to modify a customers part in order to make it.
http://www2.spaceclaim.com/LearnMoreNow/ConseptualDemo.aspx
Jon Banquer San Diego, CA http://jonbanquer.blogspot.com /

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How many machines do you own again? How many employees do you have? How many legal seats of CAM software do you operate? How many jobs have you had in the last 3 years?

In my opinion the people who make this kind of statement are idiots who often show they have no idea how manufacturing works in the real world. The people who make these kinds of statement are morons like Matt Lombard, Joe 788, Tom Brewer, etc. For those who think these worthless idiots have a clue perhaps this video will give you some ideas on why a machinist must have the ability to modify a customers part in order to make it.
http://www2.spaceclaim.com/LearnMoreNow/ConseptualDemo.aspx
Jon Banquer San Diego, CA http://jonbanquer.blogspot.com /

On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:45:01 -0700 (PDT), jon_banquer
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Jon,
While you claim you have to figure out design intent and are arbitrarily hacking and whacking customer supplied models so you can machine them per your previous posts Jon, what EXACTLY does your engineering department do?
Tom

In my opinion the people who make this kind of statement are idiots who often show they have no idea how manufacturing works in the real world. The people who make these kinds of statement are morons like Matt Lombard, Joe 788, Tom Brewer, etc. For those who think these worthless idiots have a clue perhaps this video will give you some ideas on why a machinist must have the ability to modify a customers part in order to make it.
http://www2.spaceclaim.com/LearnMoreNow/ConseptualDemo.aspx
Jon Banquer San Diego, CA http://jonbanquer.blogspot.com /

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Shit *always* rolls down hill and lands on the tool maker in this business.
In my experience engineering departments are just as under-the-gun as the peons on the shop floor and it's up to us peons to catch and repair that which was missed or done wrong in the engineering department, or a better way was found. And it's not just our engineering department, we're always saving our customers bacon so-to-say and they appreciate it very much.
Last week while working on tooling for the ultrasonic testing of turbine blades I worked right around an obvious mistake in the design without asking questions and produced tooling that actually did the job. Had Joe788 made it, since engineers are never wrong on the planet he lives on all the tooling would have done was get tossed in the scrap bin.

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We don't have an engineering department. Our customers do.
If there's a problem on the print, it's typically been discussed before the quote was even submitted.
Fixing obvious mistakes is quite a bit different from dragging and dropping features all over the part with ST, while trying to figure out the customers design intent.
Shipping parts that are not to print is a good way to lose dock-to- stock status as a supplier.

In my opinion the people who make this kind of statement are idiots who often show they have no idea how manufacturing works in the real world. The people who make these kinds of statement are morons like Matt Lombard, Joe 788, Tom Brewer, etc. For those who think these worthless idiots have a clue perhaps this video will give you some ideas why a machinist must have the ability to modify a customers part in order to make it.
http://www2.spaceclaim.com/LearnMoreNow/ConseptualDemo.aspx
Jon Banquer San Diego, CA http://jonbanquer.blogspot.com /

On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 09:35:03 -0700 (PDT), jon_banquer
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I know how manufacturing works in the real world.
That is why I am spending money buying machining work.
And real machinists make the parts per the print.
You are a self-proclaimed incompetent boob.
If you changed/modified any customer parts as you chose (outside print specifications), you would not get paid due to the 100% rejection rate. Paying customers would stop coming to your shop (hmm, is this your real life ???).
And that would put any place you worked out of business....

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Spot on....... JB obviously doesn't do any aero/MBD type stuff. Making willy-nilly changes to a part so HE thinks it will work will get his contract booted so fast his head will spin. Oh, I see he already has.... Now blacksmith parts, that's a different story.
I can see the PO now.... "Engineered, re-engineered, modified, and scrapped by JB."

In my opinion the people who make this kind of statement are idiots who often show they have no idea how manufacturing works in the real world. The people who make these kinds of statement are morons like Matt Lombard, Joe 788, Tom Brewer, etc. For those who think these worthless idiots have a clue perhaps this video will give you some ideas why a machinist must have the ability to modify a customers part in order to make it.
http://www2.spaceclaim.com/LearnMoreNow/ConseptualDemo.aspx
Jon Banquer San Diego, CA http://jonbanquer.blogspot.com /

On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:08:00 -0700 (PDT), jon_banquer
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I know how manufacturing works in the real world.
That is why I am spending money buying machining work.
And real machinists make the parts per the print.
You are a self-proclaimed incompetent boob.
If you changed/modified any customer parts as you chose (outside print specifications), you would not get paid due to the 100% rejection rate. Paying customers would stop coming to your shop (hmm, is this your real life ???).
And that would put any place you worked out of business....

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Spot on....... JB obviously doesn't do any aero/MBD type stuff. Making willy-nilly changes to a part so HE thinks it will work will get his contract booted so fast his head will spin. Oh, I see he already has.... Now blacksmith parts, that's a different story.
I can see the PO now.... "Engineered, re-engineered, modified, and scrapped by JB."

On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 13:25:18 +0000 (UTC), Black Dragon
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LOL.....sure does.
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Agree with you 100%.
I differ with Jon is when he lies about his job to make a point.
I disagree with Jon when he says "HE" has to determine customer design intent and that "HE" has to make arbitrarily change to customer supplied solids without communicating with his engineering department or the customer.
Everyone should be concerned with making a product better, faster, easier and for less cost. However when I or anyone else in manufacturing have ideas to improve the product and want to recommend changes it is ALWAYS OK'd by the customer (engineer/designer) FIRST.
There are lots of times I have called a customer or engineer when quoting or getting ready to run a job and ask for instance, if they can make the corner radius in a pocket 1/4" instead of 1/16" and it will save them $xxx.xx (with GE we would split the savings 50/50).
However if the customer declines and say they have to have 1/16" corner radius I don't want someone on the shop floor arbitrarily changing it without checking as Jon says he does.
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There are always exceptions to the rules. Building test benches, in-house tooling vs. customer designed tooling is often the exception if they guy making the changes is experienced and trusted, however I don't want some apprentice making changes I want the best guy on the floor making those decisions.
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I have worked with both types, the know-it-alls that don't-know-anything and the really good ones that would discuss design with the manufacturing department and ask for input and ideas before they made or "completed" the design.
One particular engineer when making revisions would change the part number so the rev. level was A or B so he "wouldn't look stupid". Same guy I would call upstairs and discuss a part, he would "verbally" OK the cost saving changes but refuse to change the controlled documents, print or model. So what I we had to do was send him an email have him reply and send that to QC with the part so they would accept the parts.
Where I disagree with Jon is when he represents himself as an expert on programs I use and he obviously doesn't even have a beginners knowledge of them.
I enjoyed reading your critique of MasterCAM but not the constant ramblings of Jon the perpetual CAD/CAM malcontent wannabe.
Tom

In my opinion the people who make this kind of statement are idiots who often show they have no idea how manufacturing works in the real world. The people who make these kinds of statement are morons like Matt Lombard, Joe 788, Tom Brewer, etc. For those who think these worthless idiots have a clue perhaps this video will give you some ideas why a machinist must have the ability to modify a customers part in order to make it.
http://www2.spaceclaim.com/LearnMoreNow/ConseptualDemo.aspx
Jon Banquer San Diego, CA http://jonbanquer.blogspot.com /

On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 13:12:33 -0700 (PDT), jon_banquer
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I know how manufacturing works in the real world.
That is why I am spending money buying machining work.
And real machinists make the parts per the print.
You are a self-proclaimed incompetent boob.
If you changed/modified any customer parts as you chose (outside print specifications), you would not get paid due to the 100% rejection rate. Paying customers would stop coming to your shop (hmm, is this your real life ???).
And that would put any place you worked out of business....

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We prefer to warn the customer and ask for a new revision release. Legal stuff. And a new released model helps with verifying the toolpath and post manufacture inspection (we don't do one offs). The customer is bound to pay for what he asked for, so no model altering.
DanP

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With products like SpaceClaim, UG 6 NX or Solid Edge with Synchronous Technology it doesn't matter. Keep your design intent... I don't want it. All I want is a way to easily modify your model assembly if I'm requested to. SolidWorks, Pro/E and other parametric history based products make life miserable if you have to deal with imported non- native geometry or if you have to deal with someone else's design and modify it.
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It does me no good if I'm requested to modify the model / assembly and I can't because the software sucks at dealing with imported, non- native geometry or at trying to figure out what someone else's design intent was so I can modify the part / assembly.
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I call people like Matt Lombard, Tom Brewer, Joe 788 morons / idiots because that's exactly what they are.
Jon Banquer San Diego, CA http://jonbanquer.blogspot.com /

jon_banquer wrote:
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Only in your mind, Polly! Another cracker is on the way.
gk
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In my opinion the people who make this kind of statement are idiots who often show they have no idea how manufacturing works in the real world. The people who make these kinds of statement are morons like Matt Lombard, Joe 788, Tom Brewer, etc. For those who think these worthless idiots have a clue perhaps this video will give you some ideas why a machinist must have the ability to modify a customers part in order to make it.
http://www2.spaceclaim.com/LearnMoreNow/ConseptualDemo.aspx
Jon Banquer San Diego, CA http://jonbanquer.blogspot.com /