short beta for 2009

ok to put a bit of life back into this recessive group heres a recent bit of news that seems to have gone without much comment anywhere..
beta for 2009 will be 8 weeks not 15 as last time - according to Mike Pluckets blog entry.
Now in looking around the net a bit to remind myself about whats been happening since I was seriously engaged with following the life and times of SW I rediscovered this youtube item originally from matt in Jan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyoqmpCvRYo

Now is there anyone out there who believes these two positions - (the striving for 'quality','performance' and 'scalability' as espoused by the new CEO as a message he had his ears warmed with many times to good effect vs. the new apparently castrated beta phase)- are consistant and will lead to a better release this time?
Is this foreshortening an admission that beta testing in the past was just an entertaining diversion for 'believers' encouraged by the marketing department or have they just taken the axe to something very valuable?
Is beta for instance now relegated to a show and tell primer for future sales or is it an honest vetting of things to be duly attended to in due course?...
Many people were of the opinion previous beta testing didnt actually produce real results by the time sp0 shipped if at all or that the rewards didnt match the effort they might have put into it, so does it actually matter what they do with it? does the offering of more prizes engage you as never before or would you prefer discounts from subs for example?..
Do you expect the shorter beta will mean the release wont mature until even later than usual and even more people will leave it on the shelf than 08? If you have alot of seats on subs are you happy about that possiblity? Is this a make or break time for you as a loyal customer?
I seem to remember SW moved from beta to beta in ridiculously short periods recently - even skipped directly to release before people got a decent look at it or there was a something akin to a release candiate.
If the gestation period has been longer this time is that indicative of a higher internal standard? their difficulty getting stuff to work? probably too much new stuff after all? perhaps another wrong turn in management thinking...
What are your views about the changes? Does it do anything to discourage you or inspire you to particpate in beta? If you are sitting on the subs fence now does this make you want to make your perch a little more comfortable?
Presumably people have balked at upgrading for a number of reasons - most noteably the bugs and UI What confidence do you have that SW are going to deliver what you actually need this time? Are you expecting some reworking of the interface to make it acceptable again? perhaps you have real change as a pre condition to adoption this time?
Is real change for the better emerging from Concorde as it seems to be in Washington? ;o)
well a lot of leading questions there... like to hear your hopes, views, rants etc
Neil
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If SolidWorks 2009 doesn't have an answer to Siemens Siemens Synchronous Technology you switch to the new version of Solid Edge or UG NX 6 with Synchronous Technology and support a company who is a technology leader rather than one who buys their technology from the technology leader like SolidWorks Corp. does.
Siemens owns Parasolid.
Siemens own D-Cubed.
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Oh sure clueless, just because you say so.
What's your next bright idea? Everybody drive a Flintstone car because Jon Banquer says it will solve the high fuel problem.
Jon, if it wasn't for you having your head up your ass all the time you would be a perfect asshole.
Stan
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If SolidWorks 2009 doesn't have an answer to Siemens Synchronous Technology you switch to the new version of Solid Edge or UG NX 6 with Synchronous Technology and support a company who is a technology leader rather than one who buys their technology from the technology leader like SolidWorks Corp. does.
Siemens owns Parasolid.
Siemens own D-Cubed.
Jon Banquer San Diego, CA http://jonbanquer.blogspot.com/
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyoqmpCvRYo

This is the kind of CEO you get when you can't get a innovative CEO because those qualified and in the know understand where the market is going.
That handwriting was on the wall, it's easy for anyone to read... it's Siemens Synchronous Technology.
SolidWorks should have been developing this kind of technology at a much faster pace than they have. A HUGE mistake on the part of SolidWorks Corp!
SolidWorks, Inventor and others are going to feel the sting very quickly with proper marketing from Siemens and all signs are there that Siemens is going to have the proper marketing for Synchronous Technology
The big question... how long before CNC Software feels the squeeze, as customers of UG NX 6 or Solid Edge with Synchronous Technology want UG NX CAM or UG NX CAM Express instead of Mastercam?
Jon Banquer San Diego, CA http://jonbanquer.blogspot.com /
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Neil,
Your beef should be more with SolidWorks Fanboi's rather than this newsgroup. Tell me where you can find SolidWorks users really discussing this issue? The best you will be able to find is blow hard Matt Lombard complaining about it and his fan club agreeing with him.
I think the best you can hope for it to find a company more in tune with what you want. For me that's obviously Siemens/UGS who has a much better understanding than SolidWorks Corp. on the tools needed for manufacturing.as
As you and others will see shortly SolidWorks Corp is going to pay for this mistake big time!
Suggest you start your own blog and start telling it like it is.
When I finally had enough I did.
Having a well read blog is the biggest impact you can make on SolidWorks Corp. at the moment.
Jon Banquer San Diego, CA http://jonbanquer.blogspot.com /
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Not to worry, it's not like an ignorant, lying scumbag like Tom Brewer will ever admit how wrong he has was (yet again) on the needed tools.
Too bad Tom Brewer can't be forced to stay with his beloved rollback bar that he claimed was just fine. Same can be said for morons Joe 788 and Gary Knutson.
Perhaps your brain goes dead faster when you believe idiots like Franco Folini and Matt Lombard. Even P.V. had Franco Folini figured out from day 1. Brewer still has no clue.
ROTFLMFAO
Rumor is that Siemens has an 18 month lead with Synchronous Technology over the competition.
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Not to worry, it's not like an ignorant, lying scumbag like Tom Brewer will ever admit how wrong he has was (yet again) on the needed tools.
Too bad Tom Brewer can't be forced to stay with his beloved rollback bar that he claimed was just fine. Same can be said for morons Joe 788 and Gary Knutson.
Perhaps your brain goes dead faster when you believe idiots like Franco Folini and Matt Lombard. Even P.V. had Franco Folini figured out from day 1. Brewer still has no clue.
ROTFLMFAO
Rumor is that Siemens has an 18 month lead with Synchronous Technology over the competition.
Jon Banquer San Diego, CA http://jonbanquer.baywords.com /
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On Thu, 29 May 2008 21:39:12 -0700 (PDT), jon_banquer
So Jon what does your engineering department do?
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Not to worry, it's not like an ignorant, lying scumbag like Tom Brewer will ever admit how wrong he has was (yet again) on the needed tools.
Too bad Tom Brewer can't be forced to stay with his beloved rollback bar that he claimed was just fine. Same can be said for morons Joe 788 and Gary Knutson.
Perhaps your brain goes dead faster when you believe idiots like Franco Folini and Matt Lombard. Even P.V. had Franco Folini figured out from day 1. Brewer still has no clue.
ROTFLMFAO
Rumor is that Siemens has an 18 month lead with Synchronous Technology over the competition.
Jon Banquer San Diego, CA http://jonbanquer.baywords.com /
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On Thu, 29 May 2008 22:42:23 -0700 (PDT), jon_banquer

EXACTLY what lies Jon? When are you going to post examples?

I don't have the same beginner problems you were having with SolidWorks. I told you to post specifics and an experienced user could help you but you never did so I came to the conclusion you were as usual, being disingenuous.

All that time you were claiming that YOU hated the rollback bar because YOU had to determine customer design intent and YOU make arbitrarily changes to customer solids. Then YOU let it slip that your company has an engineering department.
So what exactly is your engineering department doing while you are trying to determine customer design intent, hacking and whacking customer supplied solid models?

Have they forged quotes and posted them to these groups like you have?
Did they forge posts under multiple fake names to your Novedge interview comments section like you did?
Have they used multiple fake names to post to blog's, newsgroups and forums they have been kicked off of like you?
Have they misrepresented themselves, their experience and what they do on numerous occasions like you?
Have they recommended multiple CAD, CAM, CAD/CAM programs only to call the programs crap once they get some seat time like you have?

He's Franco Folini, Right?
The guy who mistakenly thought once you made an agreement with someone you would live up to your end of the bargain.

Tom
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Not to worry, it's not like an ignorant, lying scumbag like Tom Brewer will ever admit how wrong he has was (yet again) on the needed tools.
Too bad Tom Brewer can't be forced to stay with his beloved rollback bar that he claimed was just fine. Same can be said for morons Joe 788 and Gary Knutson.
Perhaps your brain goes dead faster when you believe idiots like Franco Folini and Matt Lombard. Even P.V. had Franco Folini figured out from day 1. Brewer still has no clue.
ROTFLMFAO
Rumor is that Siemens has an 18 month lead with Synchronous Technology over the competition.
Jon Banquer San Diego, CA http://jonbanquer.baywords.com /
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http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/080520/nytu002.html?.v 1
"I have not seen anything as exciting and innovative as Solid Edge with synchronous technology since the introduction of parametric modeling in the late 80s. Solid Edge has crafted a dramatic breakthrough by combining direct modeling, parametric modeling and a new user interface," said Ray Kurland, president, Technicom. "Siemens PLM Software has re-thought how users can more easily model in 3D. Users should love the ease of building and editing models -- all without any need to pre-plan how models might be used in the future. Solid Edge's competitors will be scrambling for years to catch up."
Jon Banquer San Diego, CA
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On Sat, 31 May 2008 00:04:24 -0700 (PDT), jon_banquer
DUH!
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Not to worry, it's not like an ignorant, lying scumbag like Tom Brewer will ever admit how wrong he has was (yet again) on the needed tools.
Too bad Tom Brewer can't be forced to stay with his beloved rollback bar that he claimed was just fine. Same can be said for morons Joe 788 and Gary Knutson.
Perhaps your brain goes dead faster when you believe idiots like Franco Folini and Matt Lombard. Even P.V. had Franco Folini figured out from day 1. Brewer still has no clue.
ROTFLMFAO
Rumor is that Siemens has an 18 month lead with Synchronous Technology over the competition.
Jon Banquer San Diego, CA http://jonbanquer.baywords.com /
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On Sat, 31 May 2008 00:05:53 -0700 (PDT), jon_banquer
EXACTLY what lies Jon? When are you going to post examples?

I don't have the same beginner problems you were having with SolidWorks. I told you to post specifics and an experienced user could help you but you never did so I came to the conclusion you were as usual, being disingenuous.

All that time you were claiming that YOU hated the rollback bar because YOU had to determine customer design intent and YOU make arbitrarily changes to customer solids. Then YOU let it slip that your company has an engineering department.
So what exactly is your engineering department doing while you are trying to determine customer design intent, hacking and whacking customer supplied solid models?

Have they forged quotes and posted them to these groups like you have?
Did they forge posts under multiple fake names to your Novedge interview comments section like you did?
Have they used multiple fake names to post to blog's, newsgroups and forums they have been kicked off of like you?
Have they misrepresented themselves, their experience and what they do on numerous occasions like you?
Have they recommended multiple CAD, CAM, CAD/CAM programs only to call the programs crap once they get some seat time like you have?

He's Franco Folini, Right?
The guy who mistakenly thought once you made an agreement with someone you would live up to your end of the bargain.

Tom
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