Survey: Co-worker Tension

To All:
    What are the most common tension creating situations in your shop?     Extra points for details. <g>
[ ] Radio?
[ ] Management vs. shopworkers?
[ ] Personality clashes?
[ ] Primadonnas?
[ ] Other?
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BottleBob wrote:

CNC machines and presses get highest priority (versus floor work). Once management, for whatever reason, wants a certain die in a press or on a machine, they tend to lean on whomever is getting the die ready. A couple of weeks ago I had the GM (four management levels above me) on my butt to get a die on the machine. I missed lunch and lost about five pounds in sweat (about 31șC, no fans).
Ultimately deadlines are by far the biggest stressor for me.
Regards,
Robin
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Robin S. wrote:

Just hand them some tools and tell them to get at it if they want it done faster.
John
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john wrote:

That would be inviting a world of pain. Weeks of stoning/polishing, washing presses, running panels by hand, etc. Not to mention you get yourself on the "list" (next fireable offence will be just that).
The kicker is that anyone one of them could do the job faster and better than I could. I've been humbled considerably since I started there.
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Robin
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Robin S. wrote:

Is it the kind of place where you can tactfully ask them to throw some hints your way as they watch you go at it, or do you just have to suck it up and struggle through the learning curve?
Later,
Charlie
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Charlie Gary wrote:

Both, I think. They'll explain things to you roughly once. The rest is repetition.
Some guys will hold your hand, others yell until you get it right (like, red in the face yell). Asking for the same explination a second time is a big no-no. If they aren't confident that you're listening, eventually they'll stop talking. This seems to be pretty common throughout the trades I think.
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Robin
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Robin S. wrote:

Too bad the yellers don't understand how much retention goes away when the attacks begin. It can be tough to focus on the message being delivered when you're wondering if the person doing the yelling can't get laid. ;-) Is sandpaper treated like gold leaf, or can you toss it once the grit is rubbed off?
Later,
Charlie
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Charlie Gary wrote:

While I don't like to admit it, I find that tactful yelling (gentle persuasion) actually goes a long way with me. I find that leadhands who aren't willing to explain to people what they've done wrong and how to fix it (and that they must! fix it) aren't doing their job.
We have a number of "finishing groups" at work. The previous group I was in had a lot of superstars and was run by a very abrasive leadhand (abrasive to the inexperienced and the incompetent). The problem with that leadhand was that he actually *could* out perform everyone in the group, or at least match the superstars. Dies get rammed through that group in particular and the pace is fast.
That group wasn't a great group to start in because there's no time to "learn," only time to "do." However, I did learn how to push myself to get the job done. I also gained the mentality of doing things correctly (as time allows) the first time as I would get yelled at for not fixing mistakes and not finishing a job correctly. Naturally, I could never finish a job fast enough (and was reminded of that daily, or better).
In my current group, the leadhand is much less abrasive. He gently explains the job and is reasonably patient about how long it takes to complete. He is reluctant to go after those in the group who do not correctly complete their jobs, don't fix their mistakes and don't complete the job fast enough. I enjoy that social atmosphere, but I know that I'm not learning as much as I would like. I am grateful for the difficult education I had before.

We go through sand paper like Taco Bell goes through toilet paper. Once the dies are hardened, the sandpaper gets dull in about ten or less strokes (in one spot). A 1.5m long flange section (say a radius of 5.0mm) will eat about half a sheet each of 120g, 240g and 400g emery, and 600g paper. That's after stoning with a 100g polishing stone. Naturally the rads are stoned and polished to 240g before hardening as well.
Large complicated inner panel draw dies eat emery cloth by the box.
Regards,
Robin
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Robin S. wrote:

This trait will serve you well. Too many people get too wrapped up in the delivery.

His last name isn't Stamm, is it?
Probably not, but after you described my boss I had to ask. ;-)

Now let me poison the well of your mind with this advise: in twenty years, when you can't push hard without your whole arm going numb for a few days, remember the schedules you busted ass to meet. I'm not saying hard work is bad, but don't wreck your body for someone else's financial gain. I guess what I really want to pass on is "work smarter, not harder" every chance you get.

Too bad he doesn't hold people accountable. It is possible to be a nice guy who expects workers to perform to standards.

How big is your typical sanding block footprint? Do you apply pressure with your fingers, or the palm of your hand? Would tighter stepover in the cutter path reduce the handwork time? Do the programmers ever get to come out and see what they've created, or do they stay locked away in a dark room?
Later,
Charlie
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Charlie Gary wrote:

I hear you. Sometimes I think they invented apprentices to push stones and paper. Not to say toolmakers don't do it, but...
I'm slowly getting to the point where I'm not the lowest rung on the ladder. Leadhands get in trouble if they aren't using their resources efficiently. You can't very well get an apprentice to do draw die tweaking in a press while a ten year toolmaker stones a draw cavity.

I shouldn't say he's a complete doormat, because he isn't. I just prefer are more asertive approach.

We don't use sanding blocks. The stones come roughly 8x2x.75" but I break them into halves or thids before use, unless stoning a very large plane surface (fairly common on outter panels).

It depends on the geometry of the die. Flat surfaces get very little attention compared to male rads. Fingers are used for intricate stuff, palms for longer, straighter rads.

We've actually made excellent progress in this area. I have no idea what has changed (cutter geometry, material, programming technique, CAM software, etc) but we used to have to use 40 grit stones, then 60/80 and finally 100 before polishing. Now virtually all rads can be stoned with 100g, and then polished.
Before we got our high-speed finishing mills, apprentices would stone continously for months (seriously) because the technology at the time couldn't cut it faster.

I think the industry has forced management to invest in better techniques and tools to basically cut more accurate dies faster. The programmers are a big part of this and they're on the shop floor often enough. It's hard for me to say anything beyond that as I don't work in the machine shops.
Regards,
Robin
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I do quite a bit of teaching at work, and used to teach at a trade school. I've found the best way to get someone to *understand* what you are trying to get across is if you ask the right questions. Telling them the answer does absolutely no good, it's gone in a flash. But if you ask them the right questions in a manner that points to the answer, and *they* come up with the correct answer on thier own, the retention seems to be years instead of minutes. After they come up with the right answer, then you can go on to explain the why's, what's and how-to's and thier mind is like a sponge, because they *want* to know those details.
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Robin, This is really kind of sad. Because you are young and inexperienced you don't recognize that you work for Neanderthals. By the time you realize it, you'll be one of those guys spouting off to the new guys following you about "paying your dues" and all that crap that Neanderthals talk about.
You think you're getting a good education. What you're getting is an indoctrination into the losers club. Because people who treat you like this are in fact losers. They are just too stupid to see it.
Gary H. Lucas
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BottleBob wrote:

When I ask the wife to make love on the large surface plate and she denies me, the tension level really increases!
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Super Glue $ to the floor, when she bends over to pick it up..........bada....bing.......
Tom
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Then when she opens her mouth to complain...........double bada bing.
Tom
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Ineptitude and Laziness.
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Can't stand the blaring ghetto blasters. I work in a place with a hearing conservation program (as in already way too lound) and they allow idjits to noise up the noisy areas I have to work in. Nothing like fixing a machine between two ghetto blasters playing different tunes.
Wes S
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On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 00:45:02 -0400, snipped-for-privacy@lycos.com wrote:

All I have to listen to..is Rancherio or Vietnames music.
Im not sure which one I hate the most. The Viet music sounds like some sort of Asian funeral music...but Ive heard it before so I can live with it..sorta
Rancerio music is Mexican polka..and gods how I hate polka....
Umpa umpa umpaumpaumpa umpapa umpapa umpapa....
mumble mumble grumble
Course yesterday...new customer...Merl Haggard, Hank Jr...Big & Rich....I think Im gonna like that ol boy..and he pays COD too.
Gunner
The aim of untold millions is to be free to do exactly as they choose and for someone else to pay when things go wrong.
In the past few decades, a peculiar and distinctive psychology has emerged in England. Gone are the civility, sturdy independence, and admirable stoicism that carried the English through the war years . It has been replaced by a constant whine of excuses, complaints, and special pleading. The collapse of the British character has been as swift and complete as the collapse of British power.
Theodore Dalrymple,
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Umpappa umpappa umpappa umpappa now now. Oops, wrong genre. ;)
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BottleBob wrote:

Employees who don't get how business works get in the way of the decision making process by allowing egos and not logic to dictate how decisions are made is probably the most frustrating thing to deal with as an employee. As a consultant business is booming because of it.
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