Not sure about tooling but for sure deburring tools.
I think you should check your ancestry. You often have a very good
sense of humor. Since so many Jews are comedians I suspect you have
Jewish genes somewhere down the line. ;>)
Next time your going to be in San Diego drop me an e-mail and I'll buy
you lunch.... at a Jewish deli. ;P
Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA
http://jonbanquer.blogspot.com /
Not sure about tooling but for sure deburring tools.
Deburring tools are made in China, some may be shipped to Israel, repacked
and resold under made in Israel logo, I think!
Keep on worshipping your Israeli made DEBURRING TOOL!
I think you should check your ancestry. You often have a very good
sense of humor. Since so many Jews are comedians I suspect you have
Jewish genes somewhere down the line. ;>)
You wish!
Next time your going to be in San Diego drop me an e-mail and I'll buy
you lunch.... at a Jewish deli. ;P
Yak! Kosher crap!
JS
Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA
http://jonbanquer.blogspot.com /
Any shop using Gibbscam to create geometry with.
Any shop using BobCRAP V22 for anything.
Any shop using OneCNC XR2 or XR3 that needs proper support for
multiple fixture offsets.
Any shop using a CADCAM system that doesnt support user named and
defined coordinate systems.
Any shop using SolidWorks to try and do any modifications to a non-
native imported solid or who has to modify someone else's design.
Any shop using a vertical machining center and who does multiple
setups for parts that get held in a vise and not using something like
this: http://www.martinmachining.com /
Any shop that buys cheap Chinese Kurt vise knock-offs.
Any shop who uses edge finders that aren't lapped. Our shop just
purchased 6 lapped one from Hermann Schmidt.
Any shop not reading the Jon Banquer blog. ;>)
Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA
http://jonbanquer.blogspot.com /
When I was 20....the rule was cnc cnc cnc!
No matter what!
But alas....you know the drill.
So this guy I worked for had a 40 man shop, bought all kinds of cnc and
nobody used it.
One day at lunch he got the forklift and in 30 minutes took 15 beautiful
bridgeports 300 yards to the end of the complex and literally dumped them in
a pile in a shed.
That day I finally had a real life hero.
Never had one since.
He closed his doors finally last week.
The shop I work for now...still has the same junky ass spanish mill they
had when I was 18...been running it all week. Not even using carbide.
I am 41.
I blame it on letting retards in the trade. they are pushing 70% now.
I missed the Staff meeting, but the Memos showed that "vinny"
alt.machines.cnc :
Sounds to me like the problems with "5 S". Too often it (5 S,
CNC, JIT, MIC KEY MOU SE) is considered a magic bullet which will
solve all the shop's problems. Like the guy who brings back the chain
saw cause it doesn't work as well as his old misery whip, then asking
"whats that noise!" when the sales guy fires it up.
So buying a bunch of CNC machines, in and of itself doesn't
increase production. Likewise is using them "badly". (Defining
"Badly" as bad physical layout - on short runs,every step away from
the door is one step closer to the coffee pot - 'bad' fixtures (index
for the part is on the left end, but the critical area is on the right
end.) and other issues which you really don't recognize until you've
worked around the machine a while.)
I think every shop should have the following signs in various
places (not just the shop floor)
Only Customers Pay Wages
The company is here to collect my pay from Customers.
Until good parts go out the door,
paychecks can't come in the door.
Put it away where it belongs. Just because you don't have time to
do so, doesn't mean I have time to look for it.
[Of course, this also presumes that "Everything has its place, and
every place has its thing."]
--
pyotr filipivich
"I had just been through hell and must have looked like death warmed
over walking into the saloon, because when I asked the bartender
whether they served zombies he said, Sure, what'll you have?'"
from I Hear America Swinging by Peter DeVries
Any shop using Gibbscam to create geometry with.
Any shop using BobCRAP V22 for anything.
Any shop using OneCNC XR2 or XR3 that needs proper support for
multiple fixture offsets.
Any shop using a CADCAM system that doesnt support user named and
defined coordinate systems.
Any shop using SolidWorks to try and do any modifications to a non-
native imported solid or who has to modify someone else's design.
Any shop using a vertical machining center and who does multiple
setups for parts that get held in a vise and not using something like
this: http://www.martinmachining.com /
Any shop that buys cheap Chinese Kurt vise knock-offs.
Any shop who uses edge finders that aren't lapped. Our shop just
purchased 6 lapped one from Hermann Schmidt.
Any shop not reading the Jon Banquer blog. ;>)
Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA
http://jonbanquer.blogspot.com /
Have you actually seen Gibbscam V9?
Any shop using Gibbscam to create geometry with.
Any shop using BobCRAP V22 for anything.
Any shop using OneCNC XR2 or XR3 that needs proper support for
multiple fixture offsets.
Any shop using a CADCAM system that doesnt support user named and
defined coordinate systems.
Any shop using SolidWorks to try and do any modifications to a non-
native imported solid or who has to modify someone else's design.
Any shop using a vertical machining center and who does multiple
setups for parts that get held in a vise and not using something like
this: http://www.martinmachining.com /
Any shop that buys cheap Chinese Kurt vise knock-offs.
Any shop who uses edge finders that aren't lapped. Our shop just
purchased 6 lapped one from Hermann Schmidt.
Any shop not reading the Jon Banquer blog. ;>)
Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA
http://jonbanquer.blogspot.com /
Anyone can see what's new in Gibbscam V9
http://www.cadcam.net/Downloads/GibbsCAM_Enhancements.pdf ?
There is no change in the method Gibbscam V9 uses for creating
geometry. Its still point-based geometry, which is different than any
other CADCAM system on the market.
I'm glad I'm using Mastercam X3 instead of Gibbscam V9. Besides
Gibbscam Utility Markers and better solid cut part rendering Mastercam
X3 is a much more complete and far better CADCAM system. Gibbscam V9,
which isnt released yet, is still badly behind the times. Gibbscam V9
still puts all your machining operations in just one Tile List making
it next to impossible to manage when your machining operations climb.
Gibbscam V9 Machining Operations Manager is still really a Machining
Operations Viewer. Gibbscam needs a rewrite from the ground up. Its
user interface is totally obsolete.
Gibbscam help manuals still suck. Independent help for Gibbscam
continues to dry up and fade away. Texas Offline no longer offers
their Gibbscam Virtual CD Training. When they did offer it, it was
badly out of date.
The only good news is that Gibbscam has apparently just started doing
free on-line training. See their heavily censored and moderated web
board.
A few months ago Gibbscam employees banned long time user "Rocko" from
stating the truth about their maintenance fees.
"Yes, I know they have deleted 3 of my postings even mentioning the
increase on the maintenance. I think my days of dealing with Gibbs are
coming to an end. Hell I paid for maintenance for over 5 years and
they never changed the Solid Surfacer Module till a beta this month.
Even then they are still behind others for mold work. I think them
getting bought out is going to make prices go up. Wow just checked
they (Gibbs)banned me from the message board that I pay to belong too?
It states on the screen For Reason: None Given. I guess they must be a
tad sensitive about how much they are increasing the maintenance
fees."
Here is what "Rocko" posted about Gibbscam to CNC Advertising Zone to
Jason Heyse owner of Texas Offline a Gibbscam reseller:
"Funny you mention that, it went up almost quite a bit and for what?
There is no reason for it going up at all. They have been lazy on
doing anything new with their 3d toolpath generation for over 4+
years. Also if you think during these economic times people are going
to sit around and get porked on ever increasing maintenance charges
you are wrong. I have received nothing for all the maintenance that I
have paid in over 4 years. Hell they do not even get back to you on
problems you find with the software. Also it seems you are new here
Jason, perhaps a Gibbs employee or a VAR trying to quell the truth? I
would like you to deny that the Solid Surfacer module (3axis) has been
updated in 4+ years. You and I both know they havent touched it."
It's time for Cimatron to retire Bill Gibbs and remove him from having
anything to do with Gibbscam's development.
Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA
http://jonbanquer.blogspot.com /
Anyone can see what's new in Gibbscam V9
http://www.cadcam.net/Downloads/GibbsCAM_Enhancements.pdf ?
There is no change in the method Gibbscam V9 uses for creating
geometry. Its still point-based geometry, which is different than any
other CADCAM system on the market.
I'm glad I'm using Mastercam X3 instead of Gibbscam V9. Besides
Gibbscam Utility Markers and better solid cut part rendering Mastercam
X3 is a much more complete and far better CADCAM system. Gibbscam V9,
which isnt released yet, is still badly behind the times. Gibbscam V9
still puts all your machining operations in just one Tile List making
it next to impossible to manage when your machining operations climb.
Gibbscam V9 Machining Operations Manager is still really a Machining
Operations Viewer. Gibbscam needs a rewrite from the ground up. Its
user interface is totally obsolete.
Gibbscam help manuals still suck. Independent help for Gibbscam
continues to dry up and fade away. Texas Offline no longer offers
their Gibbscam Virtual CD Training. When they did offer it, it was
badly out of date.
The only good news is that Gibbscam has apparently just started doing
free on-line training. See their heavily censored and moderated web
board.
A few months ago Gibbscam employees banned long time user "Rocko" from
stating the truth about their maintenance fees.
"Yes, I know they have deleted 3 of my postings even mentioning the
increase on the maintenance. I think my days of dealing with Gibbs are
coming to an end. Hell I paid for maintenance for over 5 years and
they never changed the Solid Surfacer Module till a beta this month.
Even then they are still behind others for mold work. I think them
getting bought out is going to make prices go up. Wow just checked
they (Gibbs)banned me from the message board that I pay to belong too?
It states on the screen For Reason: None Given. I guess they must be a
tad sensitive about how much they are increasing the maintenance
fees."
Here is what "Rocko" posted about Gibbscam to CNC Advertising Zone to
Jason Heyse owner of Texas Offline a Gibbscam reseller:
"Funny you mention that, it went up almost quite a bit and for what?
There is no reason for it going up at all. They have been lazy on
doing anything new with their 3d toolpath generation for over 4+
years. Also if you think during these economic times people are going
to sit around and get porked on ever increasing maintenance charges
you are wrong. I have received nothing for all the maintenance that I
have paid in over 4 years. Hell they do not even get back to you on
problems you find with the software. Also it seems you are new here
Jason, perhaps a Gibbs employee or a VAR trying to quell the truth? I
would like you to deny that the Solid Surfacer module (3axis) has been
updated in 4+ years. You and I both know they havent touched it."
It's time for Cimatron to retire Bill Gibbs and remove him from having
anything to do with Gibbscam's development.
Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA
http://jonbanquer.blogspot.com /
On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 06:53:12 -0700 (PDT), jon_banquer
Aren't you being a little hypocritical there Jon?
[
It's moderated. If it's the kind of lie or bullshit that is often
posted by scumbags you and your shop do business (John Carroll) I
don't permit it to be see the light of day on my blog.
] - Jon Banquer-
Jon Banquer comments posted to his blog, four however we don't know it
they are real since Jon has a habit of forging comments and posting
them to blog's under false names.
[
UPDATE -- July 8, 2007 -- I had to close this blog post to further
comments and to remove the personal attacks between Jon and some other
newsgroups readers. Before the interview, I made an agreement with Jon
about the style of the interview and the way to handle it. Jon didn't
respect our agreement, posting comments under fake names. Jon's
authentic and fake comments are all posted from the same IP address,
72.199.251.224. I can now see that my trust in Jon was misplaced.
] http://blog.novedge.com/2007/07/an-interview-wi.html
Anyone can see what's new in Gibbscam V9
http://www.cadcam.net/Downloads/GibbsCAM_Enhancements.pdf ?
There is no change in the method Gibbscam V9 uses for creating
geometry. Its still point-based geometry, which is different than any
other CADCAM system on the market.
I'm glad I'm using Mastercam X3 instead of Gibbscam V9. Besides
Gibbscam Utility Markers and better solid cut part rendering Mastercam
X3 is a much more complete and far better CADCAM system. Gibbscam V9,
which isnt released yet, is still badly behind the times. Gibbscam V9
still puts all your machining operations in just one Tile List making
it next to impossible to manage when your machining operations climb.
Gibbscam V9 Machining Operations Manager is still really a Machining
Operations Viewer. Gibbscam needs a rewrite from the ground up. Its
user interface is totally obsolete.
Gibbscam help manuals still suck. Independent help for Gibbscam
continues to dry up and fade away. Texas Offline no longer offers
their Gibbscam Virtual CD Training. When they did offer it, it was
badly out of date.
The only good news is that Gibbscam has apparently just started doing
free on-line training. See their heavily censored and moderated web
board.
A few months ago Gibbscam employees banned long time user "Rocko" from
stating the truth about their maintenance fees.
"Yes, I know they have deleted 3 of my postings even mentioning the
increase on the maintenance. I think my days of dealing with Gibbs are
coming to an end. Hell I paid for maintenance for over 5 years and
they never changed the Solid Surfacer Module till a beta this month.
Even then they are still behind others for mold work. I think them
getting bought out is going to make prices go up. Wow just checked
they (Gibbs)banned me from the message board that I pay to belong too?
It states on the screen For Reason: None Given. I guess they must be a
tad sensitive about how much they are increasing the maintenance
fees."
Here is what "Rocko" posted about Gibbscam to CNC Advertising Zone to
Jason Heyse owner of Texas Offline a Gibbscam reseller:
"Funny you mention that, it went up almost quite a bit and for what?
There is no reason for it going up at all. They have been lazy on
doing anything new with their 3d toolpath generation for over 4+
years. Also if you think during these economic times people are going
to sit around and get porked on ever increasing maintenance charges
you are wrong. I have received nothing for all the maintenance that I
have paid in over 4 years. Hell they do not even get back to you on
problems you find with the software. Also it seems you are new here
Jason, perhaps a Gibbs employee or a VAR trying to quell the truth? I
would like you to deny that the Solid Surfacer module (3axis) has been
updated in 4+ years. You and I both know they havent touched it."
It's time for Cimatron to retire Bill Gibbs and remove him from having
anything to do with Gibbscam's development.
Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA
http://jonbanquer.blogspot.com /
well bob,you've got , cost appreciations, learning curves, market
depletion, reduced profit
margins, and topping the list at our shop, losing customers to China.
four last month alone!
how can any shop owner warrant spending a coupla houndred thou, if
they dont know if this
trend of offshore globalizaton crap will ever stop. Ya, we got a
couple of machines 50 years old
and still working in tolerance. Don't make em like they used too.
Ed:
What exactly do you guys make or do?
We've lost a few customers to overseas competition, but since we're
mainly a prototype job shop, that tends to insulate us from the
outsourcing game, as the customers are mainly looking for a fast
turnaround. THEN they send the production to China, India, wherever.
I wouldn't think that machine shop startup companies (other than
garage shops), are real popular right now.
We've got some Bridgeports that are up there in years. But the kind
of machines/tooling/process I had in mind were REALLY old. Like a shop
regularly using a manual hand drill (see below), for drilling steel.
http://gadgets.boingboing.net/2007/12/03/schroeder-hand-drill.html
ftp.machiningsolution.com/IMG_0060.JPG
Great for chamfering small holes on a large part when you don't have hole
locations.
I think it's at least 60 years old.
I have something similar I got from a mold maker some years
ago. He'd taken a 1/2" drive speed wrench and threaded the
end for a drill chuck. Very easy to get consistent chamfers.
I also have a cheapo Fiskars plastic hand crank drill, I
adapted a quality 3/8 drill chuck to. Faster and lighter
than the speedwrench, it also works very well.
Before these two, I also used a bit brace of similar vintage.
Jon (the other one)
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