The Ultimate Job Description ever! (Shop Supervisor)

Bill:

You should submit your resume to Haas using an alias and asking for

If only their machines were as good as their job descriptions.. LOL!

Bob, not at even a 30% increase. For that position - they will take your sole (I'm dead serious). That said, the position with management bonuses is in the low 6 figures. Still, my sole is important to me. I may need it down the road.

-- Bill

Seems a business that size should be able to train and promote from within.

Which one..the right or the left one? Or both?

Iv'e been thinking about that all night? Why in the hell do people dump money into the unknown when they usually have something homegrown they can tweak into perfection? For instance, the places Iv'e worked would easily pay double for the right guy, but damn if they would invest a dollar of training for someone already proved out. Iv'e yet to see in 13 shops a guy from the outside save the world. But who knows, maybe having a college education allows a man to rise higher than the guy who went to the school of hard knocks. Just havn't seen that yet in the trade.

Best few guys Iv'e been around in the trade and in management were far from college bois. To "loosly" quote Einstein, "I have no skills". I swear he said that!

I was the Machine Shop Manager/Manufacturing Manager for an aerospace company for many years. We always trained and promoted from within and very rarely had to go outside.

Dumb move IMO, if people don't see room for advancement then your best people have little incentive to stay and if they want to advance they are forced to go else ware.

I have seen it work. This one listing I doubt they are really looking for someone to come in and change things, more likely they are looking for an administrator to learn and keep the status quo.

Should be college education or equivalent work experience.

I have seen both sides of the coin, good and bad in the trade as well as good and bad from college. If it's MBA doesn't impress me, if engineering degree with successful work experience then.......

Tom

============== Old management joke.

We would promote from within, but if they were any good, why would they be working here?

I missed the Staff meeting, but the Memos showed that snipped-for-privacy@aol.com wrote on Wed, 06 Aug 2008 01:50:09 -0700 in alt.machines.cnc :

There's and expression I like "He's read a book." You can use it either way, as in "He doesn't know nothing about the subject 'but he's read a book'." Or "Best man for the job, and he's read a book."

Met an old codger who figured out twenty years ago, that there were two guys who really knew the biz. So he attached himself to the one who wasn't due to retire soon. And read the books. Eighteen years later, his boss is asking him "What's it going to take to keep you here another couple years?" "Motor for the boat" - which is when I learned that inboard motors get really expensive. Anyway, he retired when he had enough socked away, and started hanging out with Max, who'd forgot more about machining on his way to the bathroom than the rest of us knew.

tschus pyotr

-- pyotr filipivich "I had just been through hell and must have looked like death warmed over walking into the saloon, because when I asked the bartender whether they served zombies he said, ?Sure, what'll you have?'" from I Hear America Swinging by Peter DeVries

Dead on. Because of the simple nature of most parts, the guys loading and unloading parts live and die in those postitions. Few of the machine shop managers were machinists but managers from other areas (assembly etc...). It is more important to have been a manager in the past than a machinist.

-- Bill

Dead on. Because of the simple nature of most parts, the guys loading and unloading parts live and die in those postitions. Few of the machine shop managers were machinists but managers from other areas (assembly etc...). It is more important to have been a manager in the past than a machinist.

-- Bill

But why not send the right guy to college for management? Wouldn't that be easier than trying to teach an educated manager how to cut steel and whats involved? Our trade expects us to keep learning...except for the managers, as if managering was nothing more than what you were born with.

Most folks on the floor there work 60+ hours a week. There is NO time for school. If you can't work the hours - there are others to replace you.

On a side note: many people like myself while technical in skills have no desire to "baby sit" others. The sad part is most times the ones in charge like to be in charge but don't have the skills nor desire to learn management skills. They win by default.

-- Bill

Amen.

Can't you just buy a new shoe?

Or just Hop everywhere ;)

I do find soluble oil eventually takes both my soles!

Wayne.....