La Gard 3330 Group 2 Combination Lock

The first thing you need to do is give more complete information. Some good things to know would be: Is the safe locked? Is the door open or closed? Did you get a change key with the safe?

You don't. It's possible for a safe and vault man.

You don't mention if the safe is locked shut, of if it's locked open. If it was easy to reset the combination on a locked safe, people would reset the numbers, then dial the new numbers and steal what's in the safe.

ABSOLUTELY.. and if the duufus JUST happens to set it to certain numbers, then he will CRAP when he find out how much to force it open and replace the lock etc.. ignorance is NOT a good thing in safes..

--Shiva--

You don't have enough information to conclude that.

It doesn't take a "safe and vault man" to change a combo or figure out an existing one if the door is open.

Which is why you don't have enough information to write what you already did. Hell he doesn't even mention if it's locked at all.

It is easy, dirt simple in fact, to reset the combo on a locked safe so long as the safe is locked open.

how could you know he even owns the safe ? never mind, there is no way you could on this open forum.

This is not rocket science no matter how much some people want to pretend it is. The whole reason change key locks were designed was to make it easy for end users to change their own combos. Just don't set the last number between 0 and 20 if it's splined at 50 and don't set it between 95 and 15 if it's splined at 44 if he doesn't know what the hell I'm talking about then just don't set it in either range. It probably doesn't matter because I don't think he's ever looked at the thread again anyway, if he has he isn't worried enough about it to answer any of the questions people asked. If he had I would give him what ever instructions he needed ,including the forbidden zone etc. He asked. It isn't up to me or anybody else to protect him from himself if he can't follow directions.

What are you talking about? He asked how to change a combo. If he doesn't own the safe and it's locked shut nothing I told him is going to get him into it. Nobody in their right mind thinks combo change information is remotely confidential. Lock makers like S&G for example have provided the information to end users for years along with how to determine an unknown combo if the door is open. He's probably already called up Lagard and gotten the info from them because they, like every lock maker I can think of, openly distribute it just like S&G. They all openly distribute it because there is absolutely no reason not too except perhaps to make their product a pain in the ass for end users to actually use. Not giving people drill points etc I can understand (although pretty much nobody who couldn't get them on their own is going to be able to do a drill job much less a drill job in the process or a burglary anyway) but treating mundane information like how to change a combo or determine the combo of an open safe, especially one using a lock with a non locking cover, like a big secret is just petty small minded "I know and I won't tell you" BS. Hell why even tell end users the dialing sequence? Make that a big secret too. What a load of crap.

Geez, didn't mean to get everyones panties in a knot. Sorry for not giving all the information that was needed. Yes, the door is locked opened. What else do you need to know? Sorry for not getting back as quickly as some would like. I was vacationing in the Bahamas drinking Coronas. Try to have a good weekend!

snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com wrote:

Oh, one other thing. I do not have the change key with the safe?

On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 08:42:16 -0700, Brandon snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com wrote:

You don't have much of a problem then. The cost to have it unlocked and changed would be nominal or you can do it yourself by a. Getting a change key from a locksmith, LaGard, Lockmasters, etc, b. following the instructions given to determine the existing combo with the lock cover removed. c. Once you have figured out the combo put the cover back on the lock and verify the combo is correct. The lock is fairly precise you may have to try numbers one or two to the L or R of what you thought it actually was. Once you verify the correct combo then dial the combo in the normal sequence on the CHANGING INDEX which is the mark about 8 or 9 numbers to the left of the opening index which is the mark at the top of the dial ring. Once the combo is dialed on the CHANGING INDEX stop on the last number, don't turn the dial to the R to unlock as you usually would. With the last number in the combo still aligned with the changing index insert the long end of the L shaped change key into the change key hole in locks back cover on the side of the lock opposite the bolt. It has to be orientated right to go in but once it is it will go straight in all the way to the notch and stop. If it doesn't go in to the notch then you dialed the wrong combo. Turn the key clockwise about 90 degrees until it stops, a fair amount of tension is needed but not an extreme amount. Do NOT set the last number of the new combo between 95 and 20 e.g. 98, 0, 5,

10 etc. Doing so can cause serious mechanical problems that will lock you out. With the key turned in this position dial the new combo in the normal sequence i.e. 4L 3R 2L on the CHANGING INDEX, do it slowly and methodically and make sure you get the dialing sequence right, stop with the last number aligned with the CHANGING INDEX. Turn the key back counter clockwise and remove it. The new combo is set. Try it at least 5 times with the DOOR OPEN and all covers in place. Do not under any circumstances attempt to close the safe with the lock cover or inner door panel (if one) off. If the safe has a handle that has to be turned to withdraw bolts after the lock is unlocked Do NOT assume that just because the lock works that the handle/bolt mechanism does. Test it at least 5 times with the door OPEN too.

Dialing sequence is 4L 3R 2L R to unlock.