I have Master combination padlock serial numbers with their matching combinations for B-series, V-series, X-series, 500,000 series, 700,000 series, and 900,000 series.
If anybody wants to trade combinations, please send me an email.
Matthew snipped-for-privacy@yahoo.com
their matching
series, 700,000
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"trade combinations" ? ya have to be joking, right ? :-)
Hey, I've got a 32-7-06 I'm not using. What do you want to trade for it? I think I've got a lead on a 04-16-26 you can get fairly cheap if you act fast. Email me, buddy. We'll do lunch.
I see what he's saying but anybody that has anything to trade probably already has what he has anyway. Not to mention the code info is all copyrighted. Somebody's going to end up with an illegal copy.
Information (facts) can not be copyrighted. Originality -- independent creation with some minimal degree of creativity -- is a constitutional requirement for copyright protection. Facts are not "created" but only "discovered," and therefore cannot be protected by copyright law.
Google for "Feist copyright facts".
A single fact can not be copyrighted. An anthology of facts can be. Search archives for the phrase "smoking gun".
Jay:
What planet are you from ??? First off, the information you are referring to would not be "copyrighted" to begin with... it doesn't have to be... It would be considered a "trade secret" which is defined as: a formula, pattern, physical device, idea, process, compilation of information, or other information that provides a business with a competitive advantage...
"Copyrights" were mentioned in the U.S. Constitiution, Article I, Section 8, Clause 8, which states:
-- "To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries"
Trade Secrets, Trademarks, and Intellectual Property are all covered by federal laws which are documented in the U.S.C.
Master Lock allows members of the locksmithing trade access to their proprietary information (i.e. the combination codes they assign to the padlocks they produce) that they do not HAVE to release if they do not choose to do so...
If you are going to agree with a TROLL at least make a somewhat compelling argument that has some legal basis... Your argument saying that "facts" are not created, but only "discovered" does not apply in this instance, as the locks (a physical device) and their respective combinations (a compilation of information) did not exist before Master Lock Co. created them... They are a product that gives them a competitive advantage, and thereforedo not have to be shared with anyone that Master Lock Co. does not wish to include within the "trade" of locksmithing..
Evan, ~~formerly a maintenance man, now a college student
It is the presentation method that is copyrighted. No one disputes that the information is actually public domain because the source of the information, (keys), may be readily purchased. Each code publisher has a different format and it is that format of presentation that they copyright.
Mak>
This has been discussed before. compilations of facts i.e. code information can be and is copyrighted.
Ummm yes in fact it is. Buy a code compilation either software or printed and read the copyright notice.
A trade secret doesn't mean anything. Something that's a trade secret has no legal protection unless it is copyrighted or patented. Besides code information is not a secret. It's widely published and destributed. A trade secret in and of iteself is only effectively protected if the information is in fact kept a secret. If it isn't anyone who obtains it can legally use it unless they are barred from doing so by copyright, patent, or in some cases a confidentiality agreement.
copyrighted.
Wasn't that the losing argument when Chicago Lock sued the people who compiled the list of codes for the ACE II locks?
From: "davewallen" snipped-for-privacy@hotmail.com
Wasn't what, specifically, the losing argument? The case you linked to looks like a trademark infringment and unfair competition case. Copyrights are not mentioned.
There's a difference between an anthology of facts and a list of facts. The phone company found this was true when competing companies started offering their own telphone books with yellow pages. The competitors simply scanned in the numbers from the phone company books. The courts ruled that there was nothing creative about residential listings.
An anthology, on the other hand, has creative content. This creativity may be in the grouping of the facts, or in the selection of which facts to include.
A third distinction is the difference between copying information VS the presentation of that information. A photocopy of a copyrighted list of facts is an infringment. Reading the information (manually or electronically) and putting it in your format is not.
Can you imagine the impact if someone were allowed to create a chart for the cut depths of a Schlage lock and thereafter prohibit anyone from including the same info in anyone else's charts? No cheat sheets, no text books, no comparison charts.
Someone wrote that trade secrets offer no protection. There are actually laws that protect a company when a trade secret is divulged or used by unauthorized business partners or employees. I'm not sure of the details. Once you divulge the secret (even once) it is no longer protected.
Daniel
In Australia the phone company took a company to court for making a phone disc with data from the phonebook the phone company won (after several court cases and appeals) the company has now ceased trading.
Malcolm.
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