my question is regarding two seperate punching products
I wanted to know if these two machines to a similar job? would the
type of key present any problems for the 'nipper' type cutting tool?
(provided that we are talking about a cylinder type key, I understand
that this sort of tool would be all but useless on bit and flat type
You have two different functions, the nipper is a free form tool and any
spacing and depth is provided by a steady hand and a keen eye.
The latter required no keen eye and very little skill. It cuts one brand of
key and you can cut them to factory specs, both in depth and in geometry.
The nipper is not much better than a file, and you as a locksmith should be
able to make a key by file before you worry about this tool.
The second one because of it's limited utility might be in ones arsenal but
only after a good versatile code machine.
Not really. The nipper is basicly a free hand type of tool and the blue
punch will punch each cut the same everytime automatically. If you want to
punch out Schlage, Best, and Kwikset get a Pak-A-Punch from A1 with that
tooling setup. Does a bunch of automotive too.
Indeed. But Looking at the punch type tools I can see a very tangible
benefit to using a pressure cutting type method to produce bitting as
opposed to manually grinding away the unneeded bits of key (time).
Even provided the key nipper can only make V shaped cuts, producing
marks of the correct depth in one pass of a tool would make grinding
away the left over bits much less demanding a task; no?
Thanks for the help Key.
A true punch tool that originates the entire correct cut is usually faster.
Using a 'rough' for lack of a better word punch and cutting the rest of the
way conventionally would probably be considerably slower overall. Most
people who use punches do a lot of the same keyways, or automotive where
punch capability is more extensive. Even if the tooling is available it can
get expensive to set up to do multiple keyways across multiple manufacturers
with a punch.
That thing looks like a piece of junk to me. Why not just get a $5 file?
> I wanted to know if these two machines to a similar job? would the
> type of key present any problems for the 'nipper' type cutting tool?
> (provided that we are talking about a cylinder type key, I understand
> that this sort of tool would be all but useless on bit and flat type > keys)
That thing you are looking at, not the blue punch but the other one, is
an El Cheapo version of a punch though. A good punch machine will cost
you in the $400 and up range depending on what accessories it has.
Well I can duplicat 5 keys on a Borkey duplicator in about the time that you
can punch out one.
I have a Code Pro code machine that can cut them as fast as I can deburr
The punch is not going to replace the file for impressioning as the surface
left from the punch is no good for seeing the marks.
You have not done much lock work have you?
Your questions were answered. You can for the price of 2 blue punches buy a
used code machine that can cut thousands of different brands of keys and
your 2 punches will cut two.
Learn to use the file, and you will not worry about spending $130 on a
The little nipper looks like fun, but I would have to fashion a clamp
I've had a Pak-a-Punch for years.Great for originating and
progressioning, but as one poster put it, not impressioning.
I use it mainly for automotive, some Schlage and BEST.
It can easily be adjusted to cut half-steps and is quite portable-no
running back and forth to the van.
However, some keyways do not do well on a punch-for instance Yale 8.
Because of the thin milling, the punch will distort the keyway.
The only complaint I've had is that the T-handles on the vises are
plastic and I have had some break-The company replaced them free of
It depends on what work you are going to do.
And no Stormin, it has'nt killed my hands-LOL
OK then save your money. The little nipper tool was sold in conjunction
with a gimmicky and overpriced wafer lock reader that used little feeler
gizmos to trace the profile to a piece of paper that you were then supposed
to tape to a blank and nibble away to the line.
Not very practical.
Right now the file is your best friend, and you can get by with depth keys
and a duplicator for code cutting.
Much appreciated roger.
I will definitely be trying the file set before I approach anything
else for three reasons,
-I'm cheap and don't want to spend the money on a nipper/punch
(especially after you advice)
-My curriculum outline says I will be filing before anything else
-I'm of the sort that likes to do things by hand (loud noises upset
the little man in my head)
But afterwards I will be making use (at least once) of the cutting
wheel/tracing machine that comes included in the course I have
registered too. I was just asking about the key nippers and punch
devices to satiate a curiosity and to get some informed discussion of
the pro's/cons of the tool.