And it looks very good.
There are some tricycles, there are some very small cars, and there are some
cars converted from standard cars. But many other cars look like exotic
prototypes. And there is some surprising technology...like compressed air.
The Loremo diesel looks very practical and very capable. But there is some
highly developed hybrid technology as well.
So at the web link...click every team like that offers a photo or a
video...and then ask yourself...does this look like something or not ?
The technology has already existed since the '40s to get
fantastic mileage, since the "supercarburetor" is not a "myth".
However, if the people who have the patent for that don't
release it, the only thing that can be done is to build cars and
trucks much smaller, and with more efficient fuel systems. That being
the case, the car that represents the least radical shift from what
people are accustomed to seeing (in terms of internal space, etc) but
which meets the requirement is the one most likely to be commercially
successful in most areas.
This technology is called the "motorcycle" and I have it on good word
that several companies in Japan and Germany, as well as at least one in
the US, are currently developing these "motorcycles" which should be on
the market soon.
There is no miracle fuel system, there is only efficiency caused by reducing
wind resistance and decreasing mass. There's only so much you can do with
a monster SUV design.
Then why doesn't Ford bring it to market and capitalize on the,
"green," trend with some 100+ MPG cars that don't rely on highly
sophisticated junk like hybrid drives?
"I... Can't drive... FIFTY-FIVE!!"
"necromancer - ECHM"
Because it is all horse carp. Pogue designed a carburetor that was
supposed to do this, but it failed miserably. Fish also put out some
"high mileage" carburetors, but they werent.
You CANNOT avoid the laws of thermodynamics. There is NO
perpetual motion,and there is no super high economy carburetor.
Anyone who believes there is has to be severaly under-educated.
No one was talking about "perpetual motion" as far as I know.
That's a straw man argument, and not one I was trying to make. And by
the way, the universe is in perpetual motion.
Right, like the guy with the masters degree at the Canadian
university whose page on this I read. Yup, a real nitwit.
"Scotius" wrote in message
Are you versed in thermodynamics? If not, spend a little time and
educate yourself. When you do, you will realize the defects in your
One cannot, with magic carburetors or anything else, avoid the rules
Yes, some engines in some vehicles can deliver 100 mpg, but these
are not magically carburetted. They follow the same rules of science
that all other engines follow.
Government intervention is already changing reality.
In US factories cost of labor about 1/2 goes to taxes (combined employee
employer taxes). In China factory labor isn't taxed - that is part of the reason
Chinese labor is so much cheaper. In the US we go to great pains to make sure
that the transportation cost of getting those Chinese made factory goods to your
local store is as cheap as possible. That whole system doesn't make a lot of
sense. It is like we have found the perfect way to put ourselves out of
business. The current tax policy seems to be designed to benefit the Chinese.
The result of the current US strategy is The U.S. as a nation is sitting on a
mountain of debt and the Chinese have no debt and are sitting on a 2 trillion
dollar cash surplus. And on top of that about half the US work force is planning
to retire soon and collect money from the government that the government doesn't
really have to give. Where do you think that money is going to come from?
Look at that graph. For 25 years we have operated with massive trade and
federal budget deficits and that fact pretty clearly shows up if you look at the
last 25 years of debt growth. How long do you think that graph can keep sailing
upward like that?
The purpose of taxing oil would be to avoid bankruptcy. Our current debt is
largely caused by a dependence on oil we get from foreign nations and a failure
to produce enough US made goods to sell to balance the books. There is little
doubt that a tax on oil would help reduce the massive government debt and at the
same time reduce the dependence on the substance that is really the root cause
of the debt.
Reality defined as things like the laws of physics. Laws of the market
place, etc and so on. These things do not change. They are not suspended
because of government intervention. Those in elected office think they
can change such things with a new tax or law or regulation, but all they
end up doing is causing consquences that they couldn't see (if we are to
believe them) (but anyone with half a brain could)
In response to the mess they created government demands more power to
tax, legislate, and regulate to fix it. They get the power and make a
bigger mess. Rinse, repeat.
So what has that got to with anything other than to obfuscate reality. The debt
is very real. You can sit in your ivory tower dwelling on your laws of physics
and economy and it going to do you much good when that load of crap comes
So who in government is proposing a tax on petroleum as a solution? As far as I
can tell the politicians want to just bury their heads in the sand - just like
Three quarters of the debt you see in that graph in the link I posted is not
government debt. It is private debt. And A lot of that massive private debt that
came to be in the last 25 years was created because the government regulations
that were in place were removed. And more and more of that private debt is
becoming government debt as it becomes toxic and bailout after bailout goes into
And there is not much talk of any new tax or legislation or regulation to
address the mess. Why bother with that when you can just keep printing more
money (which doesn't require any action by the government at all) and making
more debt. The whole process becomes quite simple and easy when you have arrived
at the conclusion that you don't have to pay for what you spend.
Government isn't proposing a tax on petroleum or any solution besides doing what
they have been for the last 25 years which is borrow lots of money. The
government as far as I can tell is following your logic.
Government is pretty much the same as it was 230 years ago. There is really not
much new. Only one thing is new and that is about 25 years ago the whole country
decided it no longer needed to pay it's bills. I guess everybody is just hoping
they won't be around when the shit hits the fan.
You're missing the point. It's those laws that will bring about the
crash. The government tries to deny their reality.
I am guessing your scarasm meter is broken. My first post in this thread
is scarcasm. And more intervention, in the form of the tax you propose
may force slightly more fuel sipping vehicles, but there will be some
other consequence to that intervention. Perhaps the person who was
working on a cure for cancer that would have been successful dies in a
traffic collision because he was riding a scooter due to the cost of
fuel. Perhaps the economy comes crashing down due to the tax because
the conspiracy of the 100mpg carb was but a myth.
Again, you're missing the point.
Yes there has been, well in the name of it. Haven't you been paying
attention? Dear leader, Obama, wants to give the federal reserve and his
masters at goldman sachs much greater power to regulate the economy,
right down to the ma and pa store on the corner.
'my logic'? are you daft? You're bringing up subject matter I didn't
even hint at and then claim I have some 'logic' about it? Even if you
dug up some old posts in other threads and groups what you are assigning
me is quite the opposite.
Government is the same as it was 2300 years ago, it's the same as it has
always been, a gang of thieves with a monopoly on legal violence.
The system of debt started late in 1913 with the Federal Reserve act
when the large bankers formed a cartel with government authority.
So just keep on borrowing everything is fine
So just keep on borrowing everything will be fine?
Well the federal reserve exists to pander to people like you that can't
trust congress. But I don't see any real changes being proposed in
Washington. It is all about how do we get the train back on the same
track of prosperity by borrow and borrow and borrow that we have been
running on for 25 years.
You want to do nothing - which is not very different than what the
government is doing.
So just keep on borrowing everything will be fine?
Well sure and FRB was presented as a private system that would not be in
the hands of those untrustworthy government thieves. Because they knew
there were plenty of fools who would buy into it if presented like that.
So now we have a private system that is not controlled by government -
that is not better than direct government control?
But it doesn't really matter the current debt is not caused by the
federal reserve it is because we used borrowing to get out of the long
lingering recession caused by the 70's oil price increases and we
thought it worked, so well we decided we could keep on doing it forever.
As I said 3/4 of the debt that is going to drag us into the gutter is
private debt. And that chart I posted only goes to 2006 Since 2006 the
total debt has nearly doubled, so extend that line up about twice as far
to get an picture of where we are today.
You try to portray my petroleum tax proposal as the governments plan.
Then why isn't anybody in government proposing a hefty tax on oil? The
government is in fact trying to get rid of the gas tax. The want a
system that measures the miles you drive and tax you on mileage. Why do
the oil interests oops... I mean government want that new system?
Because that will tax the guy who drives a prius the same as the guy who
drives a hummer. See the government works just fine for those who take
an interest. Trust me government intervention is usually accomplishing
exactly what government intervention is intended to accomplish. And it
is the many fools like you that can't see that reality, that make it all
It is your stupid kind of mentality that propagates the myth that
government is incompetent and bumbling that perpetuates the ability of
the government to continue to act against the interests of many who vote
for it. As long as you convince enough people that the government can't
possibly ever get it right and do anything that would work in their
favor then any program designed to do just that will rarely happen....
and so guess what it rarely does. Meanwhile the people who do believe in
the power of government get it to work in their favor most of the time.
The government isn't denying reality. It is now the voting public that
is in denial of reality. The reality for elected government officials is
that doing anything about the growing debt will only get them thrown out