Wow, Dan! Nine posts. I am flattered (Really !) you went to such trouble to share your opinion with us. I am very sorry you apparently were responding to my first reply to you, which was in error. Maybe your server didn't deliver my second reply, the one in which I attempted to correct the error in the first. I am sorry to have thrown such confusion into this already overlong thread. Anyway FWIW, my 2nd reply in an attempt to correct the errorious one went like this:
{"Sorry, Dan - Make that overdrive via overspeed from the prime mover to make an induction generator. The induction generator (one made from a common induction motor) will generate when excited by the mains and when its rotor is driven by external means to a speed exceeding that of the motor's synchronous speed. Slip is said to be negative under these conditions."}
Please note, the operative change made here was to insert "rotor driven by external means to a speed exceeding that of the motor's synchronous speed" in place of "overdrive from the AC mains". Again, I am very sorry for that mistake and for you to have gone to the trouble of posting 9 times in order to straighten me out on the matter.
As someone once said, "I'm afraid I've already told you more than I know". Please understand, the following quote from McGraw-Hill EE Handbook, 10 Edition, Sec. 18-116 is the source of all my knowledge re. induction generators; it goes:
"""Induction Generators. Any induction motor, if driven above its synchronous speed when connected to an a-c source, will deliver power to the external circuit. This generator action is easily visualized from the motor-circle diagram. (Fig. 18-17)corresponding to the lower half of the circle in which the current vector is directed below the OV line. [pls. adivse and I can scan the figure to your direct e-mail addy, if you like] A unique feature is that the power factor of the output is fixed in value by the generator characteristics and is always leading, independent of the external circuit. The explanation is that the generator draws all its excitation from the system and so must receive a definite amount of lagging kilovoltamperes for a given voltage and load current. For this reason, induction generators alone cannot supply a power system but must always operate in parallel with synchronous machines or with capacitors. They are therefore, no more helpful in system stability than the addition of parallel reactors with a rating equal to the generator magnetizing reactance.
An induction generator delivers an instantaneous 3-phase short-circuit current equal to the terminal voltage divided by its standstill reactance, but its rate of decay is much faster than that of a synchronous generator of the same rating, and its sustained short-circuit current is zero.
S "To further confuse you, you can build a very nice RPC by using a single phase motor to drive a three phase motor via a belt drive adjusted so mechanical power is going into the three phase motor. Now if you apply single phase power to the three phase motor, it will act as a three phase induction generator. If you do this use an adjustable pulley on one of the motors and measure the current drawn by the single phase motor. Adjust the pulleys so the current drawn by the single phase motor is close to but below rated nameplate current when the RPC is driving whatever load you are going to drive. As you might suspect such a RPC produces voltages that are very closely balanced."
It seems to me you may be describing an idler driven by a pony motor, similar to systems in which the pony is disconnected after the idler has come up to speed. Could this be the case you're describing, except that the pony motor is not disconnected after the starting interval?
Bob (easily confused) Swinney
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