I placed a "flashing neon exit sign" in the very first post.
That was the first clue...How difficult would it have been to retract the
claim or even allow it was copy / pasted in error.???
You made the decision to check out whats behind door # 2 entirely on your
Maybe you misunderstood.
The sheet metal department does the sheat metal work for the
weldments. Lots of Inconel rings welded to whatever.
If you want the companies name you can e-mail me and I will
give you the person to talk with who is head of the manual
department and he will backup what I'm saying. Anyone who
knows the Phoenix job shop market should have no trouble figuring
out what shop I mean, either.
You mean you got played like a cheap trick. Payback is a bitch there,
"Stevie" / Sammy. ;>)
Might as well play your own cheap trick. ;>)
I highly recommend :
Gonna Raise Hell and Stiff Competition
See this link. They are one of the oldest job shops in Phoenix.
Check out the sheetmetal weldments. Lots of holes that are
are done on compound angles.
Also see the links page. Maybe Northstar Aerospace
has an division in your area ?
Weldments are very challenging to do.
Still, that is just one shop, or perhaps a conglomerate of shops owned by
the same company. It might be one of the oldest shops in Phoenix, but I
havent seen the need to research that aspect as it wasnt a part of your
And you have expanded the discussion to now include formed and welded sheet
metal assemblies, hardly your garden variety "sheet metal fabrication"
shop-- rather specialized as a matter of fact.
I will grant you there might be "many" shops doing this.
Likely most are welded and then finish milled and drilled on multi axis cnc
I would speculate however, often the tapping ops might be done as second op,
though on a tapping center rather than knee mills. Looks like some of the
parts might be automotive, but hard to tell as the pic is kinda small.
The links bar dissapeared on me......the webmaster apparently needs to do
some html coding as the bar loads only partly visible.
If you move the separator the wrong way with the mouse and then let go of
the mouse button, it dissapears altogether.
Then again, maybe there is something wrong with my monitor settings.......
Yeah, we built quite a few cnc welders at Certified....ran on thompson ways
and has 9 axis controls. We could (and did for the military mobile launch
vehicles) weld truck trailers with them. 12 ft cnc rotary tables...not bad
for a jobshop in the early eighties. Tera cnc controls, an allen bradley
knock off IIRC.......
Then we put air powered drilling heads on the cnc and drilled fastener holes
"Still, that is just one shop, or perhaps a conglomerate of
shops owned by the same company. It might be one of the
oldest shops in Phoenix, but I havent seen the need to
research that aspect as it wasnt a part of your original
Instead of playing your games all you had to do was come out
and say it. Or... tell her you don't agree with me because
you don't think this type of work is important to know how
to do. I obviously think it is.
Disagree with me.... no big deal. Play your games.... sorry
I have had enough. You have got plenty of others in this
newsgroup that enjoy fishing expeditions. I don't and
I fail to see why I have waste my time with it if it repulses
"And you have expanded the discussion to now include formed
and welded sheet metal assemblies, hardly your garden
variety "sheet metal fabrication" shop-- rather specialized
as a matter of fact."
Fuck you. I came back and made a sincere attempt to be
clearer on the sheet metal issue by adding weldments. That
shop happens to call it sheet metal. There is no standard.
I'm sure it's different in other parts of the country and
other shops as well. You could have politely asked for
specific clarification. You were not specific in your
request and even so I did my best to make it clearer.
"Likely most are welded and then finish milled and drilled
on multi axis cnc tools."
Not from what I have seen. Use Google to see what Michael
Gailey's has had to say on 5 axis machines and how common
they are in his area. Boeing can afford lots to stuff that
small machining job shops can't.
"The links bar dissapeared on me......the webmaster
apparently needs to do some html coding as the bar loads
only partly visible."
I had no problem.
I'm not sure how many questions I could/should answer about my
instructors. I try not to say too much about people on the internet
without their knowledge. Things like that tend to come back and bite me
in the ass.
For the following - bear in mind here that I'm talking from the very
limited knowledge I've picked up so far. I'm in no way trying to look
like a know-it-all, and I don't know exactly why that boring head was
chosen as one of our projects. While I understand where you're coming
from, the skills we got for that project were: using dovetail cutters,
milling a through slot, drilling and reaming on the mill, tapping holes,
making a gib to fit. That we got a tool to use out of it was a fringe
benefit, but not the main purpose. I don't believe our skill level is
up to making something of the same quality and design as the commercial
boring heads. And in the "real world", hopefully we wouldn't be
expected to have a commercial-quality boring head in our tool box. Now,
having said that, is there a type of boring head somewhere in between
the commercial type ones I've seen around the shop and the ones that we
made? If there is one that would be within our skill levels, but with a
quicker setup time, maybe it would have been more practical to use that
design instead of the one that we did use, and I could bring it up with
Nope, not too much yet. :)
I don't think many of the people in our course see the value of our
communications course. But like I mentioned, our curriculum isn't
developed randomly. The college meets with representatives from
industry and finds out what skills they would like potential employees
to possess. Our curriculum is developed based on that.
Pass the details along anytime. I can put them in the binder with my
other projects, even if I'm not ready to make it right away.
I no longer see it as productive to answer any questions
that you may have in this newsgroup. If others can't be of
help and / or you wish my opinion you may feel free to e-
mail me. If this is not a viable alternative to you than
I hope I have been helpful to you in someway.
"Well, thanks for the help. I guess I said something to
offend you or something, but for the life of me I can't
figure out what it was."
Sorry I missed this.
You did nothing to offend me and I would have hoped I made
this clear when I said in my previous post to you :
"or you wish my opinion you may feel free to e-mail me."
I don't see it as productive to put the time into answering and
really thinking about what I believe needs to be said to you,
based on the current environment (which you have correctly
noted exists) in this newsgroup.
As far as it goes, I wouldn't disagree. But studying the background and
history of one's field is one mark of a professional, in the old sense of
the word. I'd like to think that people getting into the field as a career,
rather than just as a job, would be interested in how their industry got
where it is today.
If the students aren't curious about it, then there isn't much point in
forcing it upon them. But I believe quite a few would be interested.
I used to lecture on dimensional metrology, often to young people who were
new to the field, and I remember a lot of questions about the background of
the technology. They seemed interested in the way things were done in "the
old days," mostly because they were amazed at how one could measure to such
extreme accuracies without the benefits of electronic technology.
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