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Nov 23, 2025 Last reply: 7 months ago 69 Replies

I've been told - you really really want to have a cover for precision machine tools if the workspace is mainly a welding and metal-fab. space.

Best wishes to you all and a happy Christmas, Rich S

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I'd look at the diameter and length of parts of the ore processing equipment you might be building or repairing. My 10" diameter capacity lathe is too small to refinish its own speed reduction pulley, or my brake drums and rotors.

Unless you need to turn long solid rollers a lathe with some bed wear might be acceptable. Usually the tailstock end has less wear and could turn each half of a roller or thread the end of a shaft. My little lathe had over half a mm wear in the ways near the chuck which didn't affect the small tools I made with it.

The spindle bore is important when turning the ends of long shafts to fit salvaged or rebored pulleys or gears. The slowest turning, highest torque shaft on my sawmill calculated to 1" OD for mild steel fatigue life at 10HP. That happened to be right for the metric chain sprocket I turned and splined the shaft to fit.

The precision slides are bare steel. Machines left outdoors rust quickly, I was lucky with the surface grinder because its ways are shielded from grinding grit (and rain) and it could clean up the top of its magnetic chuck. I still had to buy or make some replacement parts.

A lathe and mill are necessary, a surface grinder not so much but for $100 I couldn't resist. It's probably saved several times its cost by resharpening high quality endmills and large taps I bought dull and cheap. For me the other essentials are a horizontal bandsaw and a bench grinder which shapes and sharpens HSS lathe bits, my old, slow, worn lathe isn't happy with carbide. The vertical mill is a fine drill press. Many have found the 4" x

6" bandsaw too troublesome and bought larger though mine is OK with some changes. The 4x6 with a very coarse blade cuts 150mm (6") square timbers neatly enough to expose the cut ends in a retaining wall.

I also have a horizontal mill which is less versatile but more rigid and cuts considerably faster, and an abrasive chop saw for harder steel such as rebar and tubing too thin-walled for the bandsaw until I found a 32 TPI blade. A belt sander is handy for deburring sharp edges, a small portable 1" x 30" model is enough for me and claims no permanent bench space, like the chop saw (and often the bandsaw) I use it outside.

A 4 jaw lathe chuck will do everything, including hold a smaller chuck that grips small rods or even a drill chuck for very fine work. Centering a shaft in one is slower but more precise than a 3-jaw, especially a worn one. Part of my qualification for optical work was showing I could center a 4-jaw to 1 micron, another was hand writing my name 0.5mm high. I can carve straight strokes but not curves 0.1mm high, to label an IC bonding pad on the silicon wafer.

1 micron is 0.4 divisions on an indicator graduated to tenths of 0.001". I have a B&S BesTest graduated to 0.00005", 1.25 microns, $25 at a second-hand tool store.

5C collets are very nice, partly to avoid the danger of spinning chuck jaws. You need only the collets for standard sizes of rods and shafting. Work held in them can be moved between the lathe and milling machine for indexed cuts. My small 3, 4 and 6 jaw chucks are on 5C mounts for that purpose.

The lathe makes circular and rotating parts, power transmission, the mill sliding or stationary ones, the frame. A lathe can be rigged to cut keyways, flats on small parts or splines before you find a mill. Either can cut mathematically defined curves or tapers by making an X-Y table with a spreadsheet and then filing to the bottom of the cut marks.

A digital readout isn't essential especially for one-offs and repairs. My home machines don't have them, I measure how far is left to go and cut most of it by the graduated dials. This minimizes the effect of wear and shows if I need to resharpen for final surface finish. jsw

You need to keep you eyes and ears open for what's about. I know a guy in your area that got a decent Induma BP clone for sub £500, a bit of a job to move as a bit heavier than a BP but worth the effort for what he does. He has various other machine tools all from the area acquired over time.

You need to keep you eyes and ears open for what's about. I know a guy in your area that got a decent Induma BP clone for sub £500, a bit of a job to move as a bit heavier than a BP but worth the effort for what he does. He has various other machine tools all from the area acquired over time.

----------------------------------------- It helps to have enough cash on hand including smaller denominations for exact change and an open space to put it, so you can react before someone else does.

When I bought my 9" SB "A", the two guys ahead of me had to make a phone call - by the time they got off the phone the lathe was mine and delivery arranged!

When I bought my 9" SB "A", the two guys ahead of me had to make a phone call - by the time they got off the phone the lathe was mine and delivery arranged!

---------------------------------------- Also remind the seller, who may not have been the user, to check for accessories. My 5C collets were forgotten orphans from a lathe that had been sold.

Cash is king. Flea market and second hand dealers tend to have a folded wad of bills in their pocket, sorted small outside to large inside to minimize fumbling, ready to negotiate and close the sale. When I took the cash out in a store to pay for hardware my new treasure was missing the clerk thought I was a drug dealer.

I've bought a number of things cheaply that were "broken" by missing hardware, sometimes special parts a lathe can make, such as a #12 LH chuck retainer screw for a cordless drill.

The Navy lost a $60 million jet to a missing hydraulic damping cylinder rod clevis pin washer that let the pin slide out of one side eye and rip loose.

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The more detailed investigation I read didn't mention whether the nut had come off first or the washer was omitted. The sketch apparently showed the nut OD smaller than the pin, so it might have been either.

The US population is ~340 million, that jet cost each of us two dimes.

When I bought my 9" SB "A", the two guys ahead of me had to make a phone call - by the time they got off the phone the lathe was mine and delivery arranged!

------------------------------ That's a nice and very popular lathe, available as clones in Britain.

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I saw one for $300 at a ham radio flea market last year. I had nothing to check for wear nor indoor place to store it and thus passed on it.

This gives an idea of the variety of work that can be done on a lathe. Model engines can be machined with nothing else, using faceplate clamping fixtures to cut flat surfaces.

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've found 10 inch versions of most of them.

The milling attachment is quite limited versus a real mill, though it's easier to set at an angle and square again afterwards.

The spindle-nose-threaded Jacobs chuck is nearly a substitute for collets though not as rigid, and safer up close than a jawed chuck for manual cutting such as filing modified screw heads.

Yeah cash is kinda like having multiple cellphones in that regard.

The push is to force people into a cashless society, but they keep making banking more onerous and unpleasant. The feds push regulations and the banks use that as a shield to force even worse policies. I fired one of my banks just a couple days ago. They took money out of my mom's account (I'm a signer) instead of issuing a banking instrument for the cash I was holding in my hand. Cash I was holding in front of them the whole time after saying cash five times. I accused them of banking fraud and made them do it over. They did it over. Later when the bank manger called me he claimed they did nothing wrong, until I pointed out there was a paper trail, and then he tried to claim they did nothing wrong because they fixed it grudgingly after I called them out for it. Then he claimed they don't issue instruments for cash. You have to use a bank account. Nobody told me that. They just tried to steal from my mother without telling me.

You aren't doing the right thing when you correct your behavior after you get caught. You do the right thing when you do the right thing the first time.

Makes me look forward to my next visit to the DMV where believe it or not I can deal with somebody competent at their job or who will get help right away if they don't know how to do something. the AZ DMV has no issues with cash for all transactions either. LOL.

I still carry a little cash, because on a hunting, fishing, or road trip a local farmer may have a can of gas or a tire that fits my truck, but they don't take American Express.

I still carry a little cash, because on a hunting, fishing, or road trip a local farmer may have a can of gas or a tire that fits my truck, but they don't take American Express. Bob La Londe

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I took to keeping enough in the car to convince a wary tow truck driver to take me home. We are too close to Massachusetts (welfare scammer haven) for them to trust people with older cars.

At Mitre I attended a seminar on corporate management styles in which banks were the model for unquestioningly following the published procedures no matter how inappropriate to the situation. I suspect your clerk lacked or feared exercising the initiative to suggest depositing the cash first. At my bank they are friendly and easy-going but I have to prompt them to make variations.

The opposite pole was unrestrained survival of the fittest, Harold Geneen at ITT or Atilla the Hun, who fought both alongside and against Rome, whichever benefitted him more.

Mitre and to a much greater extent Segway were run as an engineers' playground or artist colony, although at Mitre they limited themselves to theoretical work and left the detailed design and construction to techs. At Segway the engineers machined their pet projects and left me with the electronics and manual metal hacking.

The military is somewhat similar, following the rules is usually an adequate defense in peacetime. In wartime success could justify disobedience, for example the uncommanded Union charge up and capture of Missionary Ridge which controlled Chattanooga, or almost everything Rommel did on his own without or against orders and got away with. Many high ranking officers could handle one but not shift to the other.

My father commanded an ordnance company in New Guinea under MacArthur and Air Corps General Kenney, a trained engineer who practiced and encouraged unofficial tinkering, notably with B-25 bombers "midnight-requisitioned" from an unused consignment to the Dutch (who lacked bomber pilots) and off the records. The Japs had driven the Dutch from their East Indies possessions to Australia.

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parafrag bomb was Kenney's own invention, and he personally perfected skip-bombing, which is like skipping a stone on water, a tenth second delay fuse let the plane pass beyond the target ship's side safely. They flew so low that a plane returned with part of a bombed Japanese ship's logbook stuck in the engine cowl.
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The Japanese lacked adequate radar to detect gunships approaching at treetop height. A row of them opened up with all those .50s at 1000 yards from a Jap airfield and chased all troops including AA gunners into trenches while they riddled the planes and stores that had to be above ground because the soil in the only flat areas was waterlogged. The battered Japanese could still defend themselves but not attack and their bases could be safely bypassed.

I have to clearly and precisely state each time what I want done with money already in my account, though they know my preference is to transfer from savings to pay the credit card billed amount, not the current card balance, which would complicate my spreadsheet where each card's billing period is self-contained.

They can suggest investment options on their own. If I remember I'll ask them about the rules.

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