making a burner for a gas grill

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I have an old gas fired table top model grill. Cast Aluminum with a milled flat top. I've had it for fifteen years, and am unable to find
_any_ maker marks or trade marks or the like. So - I can't identify it.
    But I like it, works well. or it worked well, till the burner gave up. Split open. "No Problem" I'll just get a replacement. Only the replacement is a little large, but it fits - barely. The old one is 2 3/4 by 12 1/4 while the new one is 3 1/2 by 15 1/2. With a little tweaking, it all went together.
    But I can't get it to stay lit. Even with the regulator cranked wide open - no joy. Least breeze seems to blow it out. I suspect that it is set up to burn more gas than the regulator can provide. So, I am considering options.     1) Find a proper sized one. I'm not sure where, but that seems to be a long shot.     2) too many holes in the new burner, so plugging some of the holes might help.     Tooth picks would work, at least at the beginning. If I had a torch I could solder some of them closed. Maybe muffler cement and something to hold it in place. I think duct tape isn't going to work.
    So, option three: make one. Sheet metal seems to be the best option, and if I can figure out a mandrel it might work. Hmmm - bolt two pieces together, with a spacer ... is aircraft grade AL a good idea?     That's going to be a lot of drilling, but ...
any suggestions on how to go about this, or where I might be able to find out more about finding Real Replacement Parts? That milled top means I can fry onions on the top while it heats up and the burgers do their thing, which is one reason I don't want to just run out and get a replacement.
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Talk to the guys at Texas BBQ. What they don't know about BBQ grills hasn't been thought to of yet.
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    Long way to go (I'm up near the Canadian Border) but shall attempt to check them out.
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If you still have the old burner maybe you can estimate the total area of all the orifices using a proper sized drill bit. That might give you a better idea of what you need to do to modify the replacement.
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(PDT) typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

    I have the old burner, or rather the two halves. The bottom half is in pretty good shape, but the top half burned out ... I could just make anew top and see how that works .... Thanks for the inspiration.
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If it's feeding too little gas, sounds like the orifice is clogged, or too small.
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2010 10:47:21 -0400 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

    I'll have to check for that. I suspect more of a case that the new burner has more capacity than the old. Hmmm - how to test?
tschus pyotr
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On 7/10/2010 9:10 AM, pyotr filipivich wrote:

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Do we know that the burner is compatible with natural gas? http://www.wisegeek.com/how-can-i-convert-a-gas-stove-to-propane.htm
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    If I switched to natural gas, I would have difficulty using it as a table top model, which is what it is.
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On 7/10/2010 4:00 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:

You could drill the burner orifice oversize and see if that results in an acceptable flame.
(See fourth picture down:) http://mobilehomerepair.com/article18gasgrill.html
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    The suggestion was made to flatten a tin can and put holes in that.     "That's an idea!"
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Mind, I didn't say it was a "good idea"
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On 7/10/2010 9:15 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:

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It's my thick California accent, isn't it? :)
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    Maybe. Furshur.
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Is there a chance that the orifice is made for Natural Gas? Propane needs a smaller orifice.
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On 7/11/2010 11:08 AM, DanG wrote:

The orifice is part of the gas valve assembly, not the burner, yes? (See fourth picture down:) http://mobilehomerepair.com/article18gasgrill.html
Our symptom appears to be a 'lean' mixture, not 'rich'.
We need to drill the orifice to supply *more* gas to the replacement burner (which is 61% bigger than the original).
pyotr > The old one is 2 3/4 by 12 1/4 while the new one pyotr > is 3 1/2 by 15 1/2.
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pyotr > I suspect that it is set up to burn more gas than the pyotr > regulator can provide.
I believe you are on the right track, Pyotr. Groovy!
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    Maybe I can just plug the holes from the outside. Fewer holes, less gas needed
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On 7/11/2010 4:59 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:

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Notice how the flame travels 'domino fashion' from hole to hole when you light the burner? What would happen if half the holes were plugged and there was a delay of say 45 - 60 seconds until the 'rear bank' of holes finally lit?
Whoomp! _Skillets In Space_
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    Been there, done that - one more reason for heavy skillets, and the like.
    What I figure to do is plug the holes on the end, so that hte flames are not reaching the actual wall. But you raise a good point - lighting after this modification. Could be a wee tad more energetic.
    I will have to ponder this carefully.
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On 7/12/2010 12:05 AM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
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http://www.gasngrills.com/grill-parts/grill-parts-by-brand-name.html
I know the cooker isn't marked WRT brandname, but you might be able to pick out a more compatible burner anyways.
Here are 582 pictures to look at: <http://www.gasngrills.com/index.php?subcats=Y&type=extended&status=A&pshort=Y&pfull=Y&pname=Y&pkeywords=Y&search_performed=Y&cid !&q=burner&x=0&y=0&dispatch=products.search#11>
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    On a dial up connection????? I mean, I'm patient, but not that kind of patient.
    Okay, thanks, saved for the faster connection.
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