My thoughts exactly. The shop next door tried to load ACAD2000 on his Vista
box - compatibility mode and all - and failed. Dell isn't much help either
I'm going to be VERY careful when I update our machines here... We have a
newer version of ACAD, but it sure isn't worth me spending 12+ hours trying
to get a single program running like him... And it still doesn't work for
Why exactly would you want to run on vista? What benefits will vista
provide vs. say W2K? My assessment would be that not only would it
provide no benefit, vista would eat more system resources (CPU and mem)
and give worse performance. Simple rule - never "upgrade" unless there
is a specific feature / capability that you actually require. Most of my
machines are still on W2K and performing their intended tasks
flawlessly. Also remember if you buy a PC and it comes with vista, you
can dump vista and load W2K or XP instead.
Want to? No... You've got it all wrong.
You can't buy a new PC with anything other than Vista in many cases. It
looks as if they are offering XP for a short while, but that will be phased
out soon enough and anyone looking for a new PC will have no choice but to
get Vista or erase everything on the PC and re-load XP, W2K, etc.
Many people simply don't want to load an older OS onto a brand new
machine... I enjoy the stability of XP over W2K, but not the extra junk
that comes with it. I presume it may be the same situation with Vista...
Joe Agro, Jr.
Automatic / Pneumatic Drills:
What stability of XP over W2K? I have four W2K system I run, a couple
24x365 and they give me no problems at all.
As for the OS the box comes with, if it comes with a Vista license
that's fine, it takes me perhaps 30 min to wipe all the preloaded
garbage off a new PC and load W2K on it.
Again it's a question of what benefit does the new OS provide, and in
the case of both XP and Vista I haven't found any benefit for any of my
I don't know what your situation is, but I use the CMS version
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problems, although add-ins such as special menus that look for
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The ability to run Autocad/Inventor 2010 . I'd be perfectly happy with
NT3.51 or NT4, if it weren't for being dragged along by autodesk.
BTW, I think much of the stability of a given system has more to do with the
hardware and OS install than the OS itself. My current machine with a minimal
install of XP is more stable than my previous box with 2K. My laptop with the
OEM install of XP has problems, even after deleting as much of the crap as I
Stability depends mostly on the operator. Those who blindly load music
pirat... er... sharing clients, idiotic "toolbars", and other crap
software will always have problems regardless of the OS. Way back when I
had W95 on a work machine mine ran 24hrs for months on end without an
issue while others around me with the same OS on the same hardware had
problems every few days.
As for the new laptop, it's not a function of deleting as much as you
dare, it's a function of taking it out of the box, booting from a real
OS CD (not a vendor "recovery CD"), formatting and installing fresh. It
take like 30 min and will save you many hours of headaches later. The
crap that comes pre installed on a new laptop or PC is atrocious. The
days when laptops were non standard and required special OS installs are
long gone, so there is no reason to ever keep the pre installed junk.
I run Win2k Pro too, have no plans to update at this time regardless of new PC
hardware that may come along. I don't find the security flaws to be much of
an issue as long as I don't use the Windows tool Internet Explorer.
provides *nix functionality for smtp,
cron, ssh, web reporting, ect. The only software that doesn't work is some
image conversion stuff for my Sandisk Sansa E2xx mp3 player. Since it is
licensed to play wma I bet MicroShaft required the software to only work
with ExPee or Vista.
Don't do Lookout (outlook) IE, stay behind a router and life is good.
Indeed, but you can buy a PC as bits, & put it together (or find a
friendly local geek to do so). Then put your old OS on it. The machine
I'm using here has been upgraded piecemeal over 10 years: the only
original bit is the case :) And yes, running W2K.
I've been running several seats of AutoCad on W2K for years. When we
finally changed to XP all of our "blue screen" and "fatal errors"
disappeared. The remaining dozen or so associates of mine that still run
ACAD on W2K don't dare use the same machine for email, internet browsing or
downloading due frequent freezeu-ps.
In my opinion, while I am a W2K lover, I do find XP to be more stable.
Might as well get used to Vista. Its the only POS usoft will make
available in the future. I got it on my new DELL XPS210, the HOME
Premium version that is.
If you plan to use VirtualPC, or anything else, then you might as well
order the Ultimate version.
I got the new machine for speed. Our new rev'd real estate program is a
cycle stealing hog (like Vista). We got into immediate trouble with the
new user security feature.
Our software vendor didn't understand Vista's "virtualstore" feature
which then cost us 2 weeks worth of data. It seems if your program tries
to write to folders Vista wants to protect then Vista creates virtual
copies of your folders and saves all you data there. Your program has
access to the data but but when it starts, say "Word", it passes the
wrong "path" to "Word" so your data does not make it to the spawned
Also, when your backup program goes to backup a file at a specific
directory, it doesn't know that Vista has written the database to a
virtual location. You end up saving old data.
The program vendors don't yet understand Vista so be careful.
Joe AutoDrill wrote:
You might want to try this on your Vista machine. Find the exe. file
that starts autocad. Right button the mouse and click on properties.
Select the compatibility tab. Now, choose the mode in which you want
to run in, I chose Windows XP (Service Pack 2).
I was having lockups running Solid Edge V19 on a new Vista PC. Seems
to work great now.
That is my experience exactly... Well, almost. I find that if I do a
traditional "cut and paste" between ACAD drawings, I wind up with an ACAD
process that won't shut down without a control-alt-delete... And it uses
50%+ of my processor doing what seems to be nothing...
But that is rare and total crash situations (blue screen of death) are
unheard of with XP so far.