NO topics

You dare call them politicians?

What a bunch of bastards we have to serve us these days.

Harold

Do you remember the movie: "Colossus: The Forbin Project"? It would be nice to think that's our future.

He's from Russia and Ill. that's mainly why I said anything at all. For us that get it we take that long awaited vacation.

I was just thinking about how I vacated that one storm. I waited until I was for sure it was gonna hit right where I was and made it non stop solo driving to watch it hit 2,000 miles away. Wonder if the bad 55 limit will rear its ugly head again?

Thanks, D, Vaughn, Sunworshipper and others. Now I understand the issue a little better. I am glad to live so far from these areas to have so little experience with Cat 5 hurricanes.

thanks

I am a regular reader of misc.survivalism and also agree with the general survivalist philosophy of being prepared and not having to reply on the powers that be. Our house is well stocked with food, guns, ammo, diesel fuel for the generator etc.

Ignoramus21934 wrote in news:KOOSe.4 $ snipped-for-privacy@fe03.usenetserver.com:

I was in this one:

The decieving thing about this disaster is that New Orleans escaped being hit directly by the hurricane. Damage was very minimal considering the strength of this storm. Then the Levees broke.

The way it transpired gives the illusion that you can ride out a cat 4 storm. It would be interesting to know the actual sustained wind strength in NO. I'll bet it was in the 65-80 mph range at most. The Mississippi coast on the other hand got hammered. They just aren't getting the press.

The destruction covers a 90,000 square mile area. It's hard to fathom that kind of power.

BTW, you may be out of danger from hurricanes, but severe tornados are not unknown in the area. If the sirens go off it means one has been spotted and you need to get in the basement. Were you around for the Plainfield F5?

that is interesting.

I was not there, but I lived in OK and we had plenty of tornadoes.

We pay our taxes with the idea that the government is working for us. One of the things that the government is supposed to do is rescue us in times of disaster. That's the whole point of DHS; attempting to prevent disasters and providing relief when they do occur.

Seems like a reasonable thing for people to complain about when the government sits on its hands during a disaster.

Supposedly the people left behind in NO were unable to leave for various reasons. Why wasn't transportation and shelter provided for these people in order to get them out of the area before the storm hit? It would've saved a lot of lives. Isn't that what we're paying for? Instead the local authorities went from house to house before the storm, making people sign a form stating that they were not leaving, and why. Why not get those who could not leave out? Its not like they didn't know about them.

And cripes, why didn't they at least evacuate the hospitals and nursing homes before the storm??

A.Men POGO. :-)

...lew...

OK, but two thoughts; 1) Yes, but we should not not expect out rescuer to be sent by the federal government. This why we have local and state governments, they should be the first responders and should be the #1 responsible parties for the event. The Federal function should be supportive, not preemptive. 2) Just because we have governments does not mean that we should leave everything in their hands. If possible, we should conduct our affairs in such a way that we do not NEED rescue.

Unable or UNWILLING.

I agree, and was wondering about this while watching those poor people stand in line for hours on end waiting to enter the Superdome before the storm. Why not just load them into school buses and get them out of town? Had they done that, they would have had many more living people remaining after the disaster...and more schoolbuses!

Good point.

Vaughn

The governor would not let the feds take charge. She said she was worried about political considerations. Just heard that on CNN.

I think it should be easy to assess that a lot of idiots are ruining it for the bunch (when it this never the case). It is clear that the local government failed. Now we are seeing the local government's failure being blamed on the federal government.

If you are that ignorant to rely on the government for your general well being, than good riddance to you. Unfortunately the smarter ones will all be paying for the ignorance of others.

I saw a news clip on the telly last night. I full grown man came up to a reporter asking her to go help find his relatives.

Now this man seemed fit and more than physically able to do just about anything humanly possible. What in the world would any good do asking a

We have breed a part of our society to rely 100% on others for their well being.

During this same run on the telly, there was another shot of a group of people sitting around screaming at the camera "We need help" . Seems like these people were already rescued and were in safe spot. Um.. what kind of help do they need? Most likely the same help that they expected before the crisis. That is free money, food, shelter , etc.

Most of us are guilty for allowing this dependence on the government for basic substance of life. As it is being proven in NO, to many people depend on the government, for what most of us work for.

We can blame the government, sure. But...not for acting so quickly, but for breeding this society that lacks basic living skills (or survival skills as the OP). These same people will not walk 1 mile for free food, they expect it to be brought to them. How can we expect the same people that cannot feed themselves, ride out a storm.

The true tragedy is that NO is getting all the press. Guess that is where the "news" is at. Problem is, from what little I have seen. NO is a nothing compared to what the areas hardest hit are dealing with.

Problem is the areas hit hardest, from what little coverage I have seen, are coming back to their homes completely gone. Their comments; "Guess we will have to rebuild, what else can we do". This unfortunately is not news worthy. Complaining, ignorant, helpless fools, that society is better off without, is what is news worthy.

After watching some of this craziness on TV, I have come to one conclusion. The government is not handing out free dental care.

You'll likely have to get an EPA permit and have a 'lead remidiation' plan.

Wes

Aerodynamic forces (lift and drag) vary as the square of wind speed, so going from 120 mph to 150 mph raises the forces by a factor of (150/120)^2= 1.56 to one.

Ref:

According to 60 Minutes last night the levees DID NOT break. The retaining wall on the 17th st canal was breached and that was it. Still people who live in low lying areas in a rainy, storm prone parts of the world should expect floods, death and destruction periodically. I wanna know who is paying for all these airlifts. I had a car accident and was life flighted about 35 miles and it cost me 10,000 bucks for a chopper ride I don't even remember. Is each of these refugees gonna get a bill for $20,000 for their exit to higher ground? I doubt it. That city was due for a rebuild. Bulldoze all the rubble, Level it off with silt from the river and try again.

I am always surprised by people who act saddened by the deaths of people they didn't even know. Honestly, you can't really care about some schlub who probably never contributed anything meaningful to society. Being poor ain't a crime but it sure can make life suck for you and the people you are drawing assistance from. I think that some of those who have to go thru this displacement will work on their birth control skills a little harder. The problem isn't storms or famine or maniacs it is Overpopulation and the need for the less skilled to hunker down in crappy regions. Example: Africa. Why do people in these perpetually poor countries reproduce like there was no tomorrow. One needn't have high education to be able to simply look around themselves and think that maybe bringing another human into this cesspool isn't such a good idea right now. Same in the poor South in this case. Simply too many people for that environment.

Problem is you were not on welfare. For had you been the good people of the US would of fitted the bill.

Thanks, but I did not say that the force doubles for each 10 mph, I said that damage (measured I suppose in $) doubles. I have heard this repeated by meda weather people numerous times, and cannot offer a specific reference. I can, however, mention two factors at work here:

Vaughn

Fair enough. Damage is probably measured in money.

I would suspect that the weather people got it from the insurance people then. But I don't know that I believe it, as the propensity to fly will also vary with the square of wind speed. If one assumes that flying objects travel at wind speed (a good assumption for random objects if they are not too dense, and they cannot go faster), the kinetic energy of the flying objects also varies as the square of the speed, so doubling every 10 mph still doesn't seem right.

In mathematical terms, doubling every X mph describes an exponential law, not a polynomial law, but aerodynamic forces and kinetic energy are quadratic.

Something else must be going on.

Joe Gwinn