Please limit topics to metalworking

I am a hobbyist and part time tradesperson who reads rec.crafts.metalworking (RCM) to gain insights into metal working techniques, tool reviews and other metal working, with the exception of welding (I separately subscribe to the joining/welding groups), related matters,

I used to find RCM a good source for such information. However, over the last few or more months, RCM has become nothing less than a board for anyone to post anything, related or not, to metalworking. The number of OT posts has reached spam proportions and my KILL file far exceeds the number of daily posts to this group.

There are literally thousands of news groups available where the majority of these OT posts appropriately belong, e.g. politics, computers, terrorism, etc. I would like to ask those who think this group is the only one to post in to please consider that others may not want to read or even see articles that are not related to metalworking. Your lack of consideration is driving away those who have a serious interest in metalworking and may just have an answer to a difficult problem being posed but don't read RCM because of all the OT noise.

Reply to
Dave Beyerl
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I can't speak for anyone but myself, but I've found that the regulars on RCM tend to see the other readers as family, with RCM the medium that allows them to "see" one another when possible.

I have to agree that there are times when the "noise" is quite loud, but even when the subject is considerably off topic, many of us seem to find something worthwhile to discuss, leading to something worth hearing and saving. I fully understand how your time may be precious, for I used to work very long days when I was gainfully employed and cherished every moment I could find away from my work. I certainly didn't like wasting any of it.

For the most part, those that post have been kind enough to suggest when they are off topic, and it doesn't take much effort to overlook such posts. I'm sure you've done your best to be patient with us, but you might try reading some of the subjects you feel are not worthy of posting. You could be pleasantly surprised with the things you might learn, assuming you can find the time to do so. If not, I'm of the opinion that your objective is hopeless in requesting posts be restricted to on topic subjects. For one, there's not all that much for the majority of us to discuss, and I'm not convinced many of us are ready to abandon something that brings us great pleasure if we did. Give us a shot. You might enjoy being a part of the family.

Harold

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Harold & Susan Vordos

Harold, I agree with you on this, with the exception of the following. Most anytime politics , religion, or sports creep into a talk, somebody's gonna get riled up. Everyone seems to think their's is better. I have traditionally refused to discuss these subjects in general talk and observed that people's behavior is much more moderate and considerate towards others whenever these subjects are not in play.. I enjoy a lot of the off topics such as "cats" and such, and feel that that is just a sub-part of our hobbies and interests in the workshop, promoting comraderie. After all, this IS a recreational category group. Anything else gained is frosting on the cake.

Respectfully, RJ

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Backlash

That's just about the smoothest way of getting the point across. You did forget to add in one thing however - that compared to the rest of usenet, rcm has a very low rate of off topic stuff and the off topic stuff has a way of migrating back on topic after a while. Granted there are *some* ngs with a higher S/N but if one were to average over all of usnet this one is probably in the top ten percent.

Jim

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jim rozen

Guns. You forgot guns.

:^)

Jim

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jim rozen

On 29 Jan 2004 09:02:06 GMT, snipped-for-privacy@ih4gp756.ih.lucent.com (Dave Beyerl) vaguely proposed a theory ......and in reply I say!:

Do you ever _contribute_ to the group, metal realted or not. This would give you more right to grizzle. I see no posts from you until now.

I also think that OT stuff keeps things lively. You don;t have to read what doesn't interest you.

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Old Nick

OR, you could learn to use the delete key.

Reply to
SteveB

Well, I would put it a little differently. I would say that everyone has equal _right_ to post, but unless you have contributed in the past, you are less likely to have credibility, or to get respect over your request. Kind of like the neighbor pounding on the door and asking the HSM'ers gathered in the garage to stop laughing so loud.

Bob

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Bob Engelhardt

If you use Netscape as your NG reader, the "K" key marks the thread to be ignored. It's like killing the thread, with one keystroke. Also, setting a message filter to ignore "OT" posts will catch a lot. RCM'ers do mark some of their OT posts.

Bob

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Bob Engelhardt

I'm guilty of a few OT posts but I notice that a common thread in lifestyles exists within people that do metalworking, and often other things revolve around our common ability to master creation of stuff by removing part of that stuff until the thing we want remains. What do you think Michelangelo Buonarroti would have done with a Bridgeport and a lathe? Do you think that he separated his world into neat little compartments that didn't overlap? I believe that his relationship with his cat and political topics greatly affected and inspired his work. Metalworking crafts take place in the brain, turning cranks and pushing buttons are secondary.

Reply to
Tom Gardner

Guns have metalworking content, can and are made in home shops.

Most gun threads are against those whom wish to remove that option.

Gunner

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Gunner

What? Gunner and I are family now? :-) Perish the thought will you?

All kidding aside, I think you are right. Newsgroups after a while tend to become like the local bar you used to hang out in, where you were a regular and all the regulars know you. We talked about anything and everything, and everyone went home drunk and friends. Never a fist fight.

But family?!? With Gunner?!?

OH BTW, isn't this topic itself off topic?

Abrasha

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Abrasha

It's a *discussion*. Discussions don't have a target. They not "against anyone." That's a very republican approach to live, everthing's a contest - winners, losers, etc.

Jim

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Reply to
jim rozen

Well stated..............

Michelangelo

Reply to
Steve Peterson

Thanks for the nice inclusion (or exception), RJ. I fully agree. While I may read comments on these subjects, I'm inclined to avoid them. I have my own religious prejudices (I'm agnostic and don't tolerate bible thumpers well).

I know very little about politics aside from thinking that, for the most part, politicians are not worthy of my time, in general a pack of wolves. No---------- make that hungry wolves.

Sports? Who the hell cares! I have a lot more important fish to fry. If it wasn't for ice hockey or curling, I'm not convinced there's ever been a sport worth watching. No, I'm not from Canada.

Pretty easy to see why those topics are better left alone, isn't it?

Regards,

Harold

Reply to
Harold & Susan Vordos

Ah! A man after my own heart! Except for the sports (I'm not interested in any sport what so ever). Welcome......

Lane

Reply to
lane

Damn Tom I think that you have finally explained the root of MY problems! lg no neat sig line

Reply to
larry g

Troll

(If you don't believe me, look already !)

Tim

Reply to
Tim Williams

Gosh Jim, thats a very Taoist thing to say.

There is apparently no right or wrong, no winners or losers. Interesting.

Am I correct in interpreting your statements?

Gunner

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Reply to
Gunner

Of course. You are the dranged cousin we keep chained in the basement

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Gunner

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