When I saw Gunner posted off topic political BS earlier today I decided this newsgroup doesn't have a clue about what it's for. I considered Gunner oneof the RCM mainstays with an occasional foray into politics but today's post was all his trying to stir the politics pot. Folks there are thousands of groups to argue your politics with other people. Why do you insist on polluting this group?? Please go to the other groups and leave this for metalworking. If you don't understand the concept of a group without politics, just on topic posts, how about leaving and let the rest of us enjoy our hobby.