Empowerment?

Not me. I actually voted for Bush as the perceived lesser of 2 evils but now believe he was the evil of 2 lessors.

The DC government is effectively controlled by a foreign government that hates Iraq.

As long as the world continues to come screaming to us for help every time Germans are killing everyone else in Europe, Serbs are killing Bosnians, Croats and Albanians (the fighting would still be going on if the Brits and the UN were handling that one), Somalis are killing each other, the Indonesian banking system is failing, there are people starving in Ethiopia, expecting us to pay a full 25% of the UN operating budget, etc, etc. - Yes. I spent three years in Europe, half of which was patrolling the mine fields between East and West Germany just to make sure folks in Europe continued to act "with regard to international law". Personally, I wish the rest of the world would learn to handle its own problems and leave us alone (which includes stop moving here by the millions).

Steve.

I don't know who you are, but I do know that you don't make chips. Politics, Religion, Sex or any other subject that is not related metalworking, engineering, physics or chemistry has no business on this NG. My advice to you is to make this a hobby and make chips or "GET OFF" and leave Gunner alone! He makes chips. Steve

There is a lot of truth in that view Nick...........but US business interests probably have almost as much influence on US government, as the foreign government you mention!

I fail entirely to see why exactly someone has to make "chips" to be involved with mtalworking?

Gunner may indeed make chips, but he also makes himself look extremely silly with every new childish troll he posts to this group!

No. We're empowered by our military, troll.

Now go back under your rock.

Have no idea where or when you speak - Hatti ? or where.

Martin

Those of us licky enough not to have to live in the U.S. might take issue with you. As nice places to live, how about:

Norway Denmark Sweden New Zealand Australia Canada Italy France Switzerland Germany Spain UK (but prolly not for much longer, given the creeping U.S. influence) Luxembourg Belgium The Netherlands

Remember: America is the only nation to have gone from a state of barbarism to a state of decaddence without the intervening state of civilisation

You don't need to make chips to be involved with metalworking. There are a lot of metalworking that forges, draws, stamps or works metal in ways other than cutting. But IMHO in order to be considered as a member of this group you need to ask or answer questions about metalworking at least half of the time.

Gunner barely qualifies on the percentage, but easily qualifies on the amount of posts about metalworking. Now I don't read a lot of the threads here, but I have not read a single post by you that involves metalworking. So as I see it you are trying to pose as a metalworker, but actually are not one. As such you really do not belong in this newsgroup.

Dan

LOL. You forgot the 'troll' catagory Dan! I think he fits in in there perfectly!

Jim

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There's a bunch of different kinds of trolls. I suggest a Google search on the phrases "troll faq" and "anti troll faq"

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Part 2: WHAT ARE SOME EXAMPLES OF TROLLS? I STILL DON'T GET IT.

He does fit there, but not perfectly. Trolls usually post one message and never post anything else to that thread. I think they keep score by how many messages they get for just one post.

Dan