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Strange you should mention that one. In spite of my lack of love for hard rock, I include that tune in my music collection. It's truly a work of art. Sort of a jazz musician struggling to get out of a rock musician's body it appears. :-)

Harold

She missed 2 of the important steps.....

Live hard, die young, make a pretty corpse.

She did have a pretty good handle on part 1 though.

Gunner

The two highest achievements of the human mind are the twin concepts of "loyalty" and "duty." Whenever these twin concepts fall into disrepute -- get out of there fast! You may possibly save yourself, but it is too late to save that society. It is doomed. " Lazarus Long

Art imitates life:

Gunner

The two highest achievements of the human mind are the twin concepts of "loyalty" and "duty." Whenever these twin concepts fall into disrepute -- get out of there fast! You may possibly save yourself, but it is too late to save that society. It is doomed. " Lazarus Long

Y up...the three versions I have are Della Reese, , Joe Cocker and hummm ah...er..Ill have to check. Might be Red.

Gunner, listening to Da Yoopers, "If I could fart like my dad" , with Wierd Al "Osama bin Ladin Dead or Alive" up next.

The two highest achievements of the human mind are the twin concepts of "loyalty" and "duty." Whenever these twin concepts fall into disrepute -- get out of there fast! You may possibly save yourself, but it is too late to save that society. It is doomed. " Lazarus Long

On Tue, 03 Feb 2004 23:44:08 GMT, Loren Coe vaguely proposed a theory ......and in reply I say!:

Hear here!

I am of the opinion that if any of my younger relatives want to get a Motor bike, I will offer to beat them up with a baseball bat for half the price of the bike and save them a lot of time and money.

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Spike....Spike? Hello?

On Tue, 3 Feb 2004 20:06:57 -0500, "Backlash" vaguely proposed a theory ......and in reply I say!:

I don't remember the most spectacular one I had. Nor do I remember the whole of that day. :-

Whenever any of my young helpers through the years has asked me about riding motorcycles, I take them out to the loading dock, get them to look down at the asphalt parking lot, and tell them to see whether they like riding a bike, they must duct tape their hands behind their back and dive off face-first onto the asphalt. If they like it, they are biker material.

RJ

If they are smart enough to don a full-face helmet, a riding suit, boots, and gloves before doing so, they might just survive the plunge. Your test is pretty good at evaluting the impact damage that happens when you stop, but better would be to drive along with them the car, and ask them to climb out the window and jump onto the asphalt while moving at about 50 mph or so. Hands need not be duct taped.

Jim

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Excellent advice as far as I'm concerned. I spent a few days in the hospital back in '64 after being run off the road by a car. Long story, but I met the asphalt with my head and shoulder. Luckily, I had a gut feeling about wearing a helmet, which was almost unheard of at that point in time. It kept me from far more serious injury, perhaps death. Lots of road rash. I got back on what used to be a beautiful '63 TR6 Triumph a few times after I had recovered, then I sold it.

Harold

On Wed, 04 Feb 2004 07:54:45 GMT, Gunner brought forth from the murky depths:

Janis Joplin got the first two exactly right. #3 is kinda questionable. I never could drink Southern Comfort (eons ago) without thinking about that randy gal...

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About $470.00 for hardware, I got the install down from $200 to $100 by doing all the installation myself and letting the installer just aim the antenna. Then I pay $59.99 a month for service.

The new DW-6000 modem/router is much better than the USB modem I had with the one way system . Almost a no-brainer in comparison.

It may be a bit of an issue for people that know and manage their own networking and want it to blend in with their network.

The DW-6000 has to be the DHCP server, that cannot be disabled. The rest of the network has to be adapted to the DW-6000. But that is easy enough to do. Worst case, you may wind up with a server with two NICs in it, one to talk to the DW-6000 and the other to be on the network that was already there. I swear, the only people that are more anal than machinists about "my way or no way" are network "administrators"

The real bugaboos are latency (25,000 miles up and back) and the Fair Access Policy or FAP. The FAP is hard to explain but it boils down to that if are doing a lot of downloading you get throttled back. And if you continue to download, you'll stay throttled back forever.

Throughput? I do not do any excessive downloading and I get around

100 KB/sec down all the time and about 1/10th or 1/8th of that up all the time.

I get some weather (rain and snow) fade and some occasional absolutely weird and not further explained anomalies that are cured by retries.

DirecWay is much, much better than the 26.4-28.8 kbps I get on my old copper lines that are not-DSL eligible and will probably never be upgraded in my lifetime.

Cable will be 240-300 KB/sec download all the time and about 10 percent of that up. For just about exactly the same monthly charge.

I'll probably be off DirecWay within a week or two and would not have started it had the cable company told me when the cable was going to be available.

I can get a good part of the hardware investment back by selling the dish and modem/router to someone.

Southern Comfort and Wink? Where in hell do you get Wink these days?

Harold

Would that include me, too? If so, I'm losing my touch! I figured it couldn't be done! Damn those administrators.

Harold

some nice humor here, more appreciated by us older generation, imho.

yes, scarey, spooky, whatever you want to call it, i would react the same. i did partially seperate a shoulder, but nothing really life threatening.

the one fatal incident that i was close to was a friend of a co-worker who forgot his lunch and was doing a u-turn on his Vespa (sans helmet) when he hit his front break (likely an oncoming car) and slammed the cycle down on the birm of the pavement.

he hit is head and was killed instantly. speed? under 10mph for sure. this is something like the way i hurt my shoulder. you don't touch that front break unless the forks are absolutely straight. --Loren

I helped her finish a fifth in her dressing room in the Grande Ballroom in 68, and again in 69 at the Cobo Hall.

Sudden Discomfort was what she called it. Hell of a woman. Messed up in the head in many ways...but a hell of a woman. And yah..Randy.....

Gunner

The two highest achievements of the human mind are the twin concepts of "loyalty" and "duty." Whenever these twin concepts fall into disrepute -- get out of there fast! You may possibly save yourself, but it is too late to save that society. It is doomed. " Lazarus Long

Got to find a place to jump in here. No wonder I was never allowed to have a motorcycle. I've heard of lots of friends with stories and wondered why they would like being hurt all the time. My wife will not let me have one just like my family did. My bro. has one of those lean over HD that goes almost 200mph. and he doesn't like things I do. I use to live next to a big time rice grinder road bike builder and heard lots of bad things also. This guy looked like t-nut , it just hit me when years ago his wife put up a picture of him and it rang a bell. Personally I'll leave the high speeds to airplanes and cars.

The only bad run in with a bike for me was a time I was coming back from the lake and a couple had a dead bike out in like 125F super dry heat. I stopped to give them a ride into town and the dude wouldn't leave his bike so I said lets put it in the truck. We at some point are loading the bike and the guy lets his side go and the very hot exhaust pipe burned into my bare leg before I let the bike go. I started screaming at the guy why the %#%^& he let it go without telling me. And he comes back with a whimpy "it was heeaavvyy..." AH DA STUPID I says. I should have just heaved his bike off the truck and left them there. It took years for that to fade away and every time I looked at the 4" burn mark across my thigh I would hear him.

On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 04:05:37 GMT, Gunner brought forth from the murky depths:

Oh, you DAWG! I didn't want to hear that. You got MY fantasy. Damn. I was born too late for the best part of the Free Love thing, but I thank Buddha I had a bit of lovin' before AIDS, Herpes, and the untreatable syph, etc. bugs hit. Y'all think a titanium condom is doable?

My wife still has a burn mark on her calf from about 20 years ago, "I TOLD ya the pipes are hot!!"

As far as the trailer incident above is concerned, anyone who can't load a motorcycle into a pickup bed or trailer should not buy a HD.

Jim

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not THAT would be a trick, two guys loading a Harley into a PU bed(?)! i think the brother had the HD. but exhaust pipe burns are yet another dimension of mc injury not often discussed. passengers know about them.

my daughter and i crossed the Mojave into Needles (promptly dubbed, Needless), CA, one June on a record heat day. against all common sense, we had stripped down to bathing suits and bare feet (gawd it was hot). we pulled into a park with a swimming pond and decided to cool off. she really planted her right leg up against the pipes while dismounting. we were already close to heat stroke and it took a moment for the pain to register, pretty awful...

the final insult was that we froze our asses off in a rest area just out of Flagstaff that same night. again, a record, LOW temp. --Loren