Old Bullet Disposal?

Never heard the term "low explosive". Any refrences? Please. ...lew...

Hummmm...leme think...maybe..ah..err..perhaps it was on the test I took to get my blasters license...ah..shrug.

Now this has what to do with small arms ammunition?

Gunner " ..The world has gone crazy. Guess I'm showing my age... I think it dates from when we started looking at virtues as funny. It's embarrassing to speak of honor, integrity, bravery, patriotism, 'doing the right thing', charity, fairness. You have Seinfeld making cowardice an acceptable choice; our politicians changing positions of honor with every poll; we laugh at servicemen and patriotic fervor; we accept corruption in our police and bias in our judges; we kill our children, and wonder why they have no respect for Life. We deny children their childhood and innocence- and then we denigrate being a Man, as opposed to a 'person'. We *assume* that anyone with a weapon will use it against his fellowman- if only he has the chance. Nah; in our agitation to keep the State out of the church business, we've destroyed our value system and replaced it with *nothing*. Turns my stomach- " Chas , rec.knives

Write in Candidate {X} Enemies of the Constitution

Gunner

" ..The world has gone crazy. Guess I'm showing my age... I think it dates from when we started looking at virtues as funny. It's embarrassing to speak of honor, integrity, bravery, patriotism, 'doing the right thing', charity, fairness. You have Seinfeld making cowardice an acceptable choice; our politicians changing positions of honor with every poll; we laugh at servicemen and patriotic fervor; we accept corruption in our police and bias in our judges; we kill our children, and wonder why they have no respect for Life. We deny children their childhood and innocence- and then we denigrate being a Man, as opposed to a 'person'. We *assume* that anyone with a weapon will use it against his fellowman- if only he has the chance. Nah; in our agitation to keep the State out of the church business, we've destroyed our value system and replaced it with *nothing*. Turns my stomach- " Chas , rec.knives

Black powder, Giant Powder, White Powder, and many ANFO prills pretty much fall into the Low Order explosive catagory

These of course are rather flawed definitions, as most of the fulminates would thus be catagorized as a Low Explosive, and they do indeed detonate without the use of a blasting cap, only simple flame or acid/flame reaction. And of course..where do we catagorize any compound that is shock sensitive?

Which reminds me..by the above definition, I put 9.5 gallons of 87 octane Low Explosive in my gas tank this afternoon.

So lets say that cartridges, like your Honda, do contain Low Explosives, just for sake of argument.

Now what?

Gunner

" ..The world has gone crazy. Guess I'm showing my age... I think it dates from when we started looking at virtues as funny. It's embarrassing to speak of honor, integrity, bravery, patriotism, 'doing the right thing', charity, fairness. You have Seinfeld making cowardice an acceptable choice; our politicians changing positions of honor with every poll; we laugh at servicemen and patriotic fervor; we accept corruption in our police and bias in our judges; we kill our children, and wonder why they have no respect for Life. We deny children their childhood and innocence- and then we denigrate being a Man, as opposed to a 'person'. We *assume* that anyone with a weapon will use it against his fellowman- if only he has the chance. Nah; in our agitation to keep the State out of the church business, we've destroyed our value system and replaced it with *nothing*. Turns my stomach- " Chas , rec.knives

So Gunner, I'll ask again.

What kind of Idiot needs proof that disposing of explaosives in the garbage is not a good idea.

Assuming a previous post is correct, an Idiot with a license to work with explosives.

LMAO

Of course they are, Gunner. Nobody knows anything except for you.

Why don't you write the Navel Acadamy Chemestry department, tell them how their flawed.

No, I haven't, but I suspect this is probably because you are US based and I'm not...

Oh right - by any chance are you ex USMC?

You stated elsewhere that small arms ammunition contains no explosive - I had merely wondered if you did actually realise that small arms cartridges do indeed contain explosive compositions....

Great sites by the way. Thanks. Bookmarked.

I notice you continue to pick nits beyond practicality. What is the downside to disposing of a few rounds of ammunition again by simply dropping it in the trash? Please enumerate the dangers and the probablities. Im sure you can do so.

Just out of curiosity...how do you personally, dispose of your "explosives", such as spray paint cans, starting fluid cans, old flour (you do know that flour is a low order explosive, correct?) etc etc.

Inquring minds want to know.

And would you like me to change my reasonable tone, to match yours? Id be most happy to do so..but Im afraid you might get your feelings hurt.......

Gunner

" ..The world has gone crazy. Guess I'm showing my age... I think it dates from when we started looking at virtues as funny. It's embarrassing to speak of honor, integrity, bravery, patriotism, 'doing the right thing', charity, fairness. You have Seinfeld making cowardice an acceptable choice; our politicians changing positions of honor with every poll; we laugh at servicemen and patriotic fervor; we accept corruption in our police and bias in our judges; we kill our children, and wonder why they have no respect for Life. We deny children their childhood and innocence- and then we denigrate being a Man, as opposed to a 'person'. We *assume* that anyone with a weapon will use it against his fellowman- if only he has the chance. Nah; in our agitation to keep the State out of the church business, we've destroyed our value system and replaced it with *nothing*. Turns my stomach- " Chas , rec.knives

No..Army Ranger actually..many many years ago, in a galaxy far far away.

Yes indeed they do, in fact, but in practicality..shrug. The composition of smokless powder, depending on single or double based powder, has a quantity of nitroglycering in it. As does some heart medication. The quantity of true explosives in the priming admixture is very small, and unless it detonates in the palm of your hand..is rather moot as well.

The original topic was how to dispose of several loaded rounds of ammunition. Posters implied that they were to be treated as WMD. Shrug..such is not the case. Others implied that burning them, or dropping them in the trash would lead to dire consequences for innocent parties. Such is not the case unless very very unusual circumstances were to occur in rather unusual order. Shrug.

Can small arms ammunition be dangerous when intentionally mishandled? Yes indeed. Every small boy learns this fact (at least in the US) with a great deal of delight. Manipulated into being dangerous. Indeed.

Mark IRRC made the statement that only an idiot would not equate small arms ammuniton with explosives, the implication being High Explosives, as few people understand that many things are Low explosives, such as gasoline, acohol, spray paint propellents etc etc. And continued to pick nits in application and practicality.

I responded that as a (practical) matter, Small arms ammunition has no relationship to the (implied) High Explosives..and was called again, an idiot.

With some work, many chemicals may be rendered into high explosives, be it a mercury filled thermometer, or various cleaning supplies under one's kitchen sink. But as such are not to be considered Explosives in the general meaning of things until the procedures to to do so, are actually done.

Was I technically wrong? Indeed. Was I in practicality wrong in the context? No. But then I only spoke about the practicality of the issue of a few rounds of small arms ammuniton being disposed of.

Also noted was the failure of my debating opponents to discuss calling a EOD team for disposal of their explosives, such as spray paint, gasoline, cooking flour, vacuum cleaner dust, propane, old movie film, celluloid collar buttons or old photo negatives. All of which may be made to detonate/burn in either a low or high order explosion.

Practiality and common usage.

Shrug.

Gunner

" ..The world has gone crazy. Guess I'm showing my age... I think it dates from when we started looking at virtues as funny. It's embarrassing to speak of honor, integrity, bravery, patriotism, 'doing the right thing', charity, fairness. You have Seinfeld making cowardice an acceptable choice; our politicians changing positions of honor with every poll; we laugh at servicemen and patriotic fervor; we accept corruption in our police and bias in our judges; we kill our children, and wonder why they have no respect for Life. We deny children their childhood and innocence- and then we denigrate being a Man, as opposed to a 'person'. We *assume* that anyone with a weapon will use it against his fellowman- if only he has the chance. Nah; in our agitation to keep the State out of the church business, we've destroyed our value system and replaced it with *nothing*. Turns my stomach- " Chas , rec.knives

Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black?

Gunner! Your on the run!

Mark! you are still not answering the question. Your massive snip and clip is rather typical of you (and Jim Rozen btw) and disengenious.

Please answer the question.

Gunner

" ..The world has gone crazy. Guess I'm showing my age... I think it dates from when we started looking at virtues as funny. It's embarrassing to speak of honor, integrity, bravery, patriotism, 'doing the right thing', charity, fairness. You have Seinfeld making cowardice an acceptable choice; our politicians changing positions of honor with every poll; we laugh at servicemen and patriotic fervor; we accept corruption in our police and bias in our judges; we kill our children, and wonder why they have no respect for Life. We deny children their childhood and innocence- and then we denigrate being a Man, as opposed to a 'person'. We *assume* that anyone with a weapon will use it against his fellowman- if only he has the chance. Nah; in our agitation to keep the State out of the church business, we've destroyed our value system and replaced it with *nothing*. Turns my stomach- " Chas , rec.knives

Sometimes it's tough to find the post amongst the sig line.

Jim

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Ah right, just wondered. I used to work with the USMC and USAF in EOD.

Whilst I admit that small arms ammo is not in same league as high explosive munitions, I think I'd probably contact my local gun club, police station or somewhere like that and have them dispose of the items, if I was unable to just fire them off myself somewhere safe. We generally dispose of small arms munitions by burning in an old APC.

I usually get rid of flower by the pancake disposal method. Although sometimes I use the waffle disposal method. Someday I hope to advance to using the cake , cookie and pie crust method.

I agree..however the OP mentioned a Few Rounds..several IRRC..indicating a very small amount, less than a handful, found in a desk or something.

Shrug.

Gunner The methodology of the left has always been:

1. Lie
2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie

So far, I have not seen anyone mention the possibility that these are inactive rounds -- loaded to serve as setting references for bullet seating dies. I have a few such which I made up -- and keep with the set of dies with which I use them. Check the primers for indentations indicating that they have been fired, or even removal, since the internal sizing die would normally eject the primer, and there would be little point to installing a new primer in a reference round.

Also -- they may be for testing the cartridge handling of an autoloader without the risk of having a live round in the chamber where you can't have a safe direction to shoot them.

Enjoy, DoN.

Excellent point, and one Id not considered. I have dummy cartridges for each of the cartridges I load for, not to mention quite an assortment of factory made dummies. I was at least peripherally involved in the development of the A-zoom line of dummy cartridges currently available from Lyman.

excellent point indeed. Id not considered the OPs unfamilarity with "cartridges" and hadnt thought he might not be able to distinquish between a loaded round and a dummy, so made an automatic assumption th at they were live rounds. Mea Culpa.

Thanks! Sometimes one simply thinks inside the box a bit too much with things one is intimately familiar with.

Gunner

" ..The world has gone crazy. Guess I'm showing my age... I think it dates from when we started looking at virtues as funny. It's embarrassing to speak of honor, integrity, bravery, patriotism, 'doing the right thing', charity, fairness. You have Seinfeld making cowardice an acceptable choice; our politicians changing positions of honor with every poll; we laugh at servicemen and patriotic fervor; we accept corruption in our police and bias in our judges; we kill our children, and wonder why they have no respect for Life. We deny children their childhood and innocence- and then we denigrate being a Man, as opposed to a 'person'. We *assume* that anyone with a weapon will use it against his fellowman- if only he has the chance. Nah; in our agitation to keep the State out of the church business, we've destroyed our value system and replaced it with *nothing*. Turns my stomach- " Chas , rec.knives