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rael are the rights of a religious minority and ethnic minority

Disagree. They were jailing christians for practicing in the PRC.

Throwing somebody in jail is not simply 'supressing.'

Then we could take a trip and investigate how religion affects the citizens of a country like, say, India.

Jim

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Well DUH!

It's all the SAME ancient ignorant middle eastern souperstition. One of the primary functions is exportation of ignorance, hatred & murder all around the world.

Friend, please quote where I said anything like that??

I didn't. If someone else did, then you have a reading comprehension problem, or simply got confused - either way you're assertion is wrong.

Friend, you have no choice in these matters - you are at the mercy of our government's foreign policy and intelligence (locally, the police agencies) and the desires of external forces and governments.

Besides, remember the Maine? Think about it a while.

Then you prefer ignorance and isolation over knowledege and communication? I see.

Your Senators and Representiatives have *never* voted differently than you wanted them to?? Really?

Again, you seem to have a whole lot of hostility based upon some imagined comments that I am quite sure I never made since they do not match my opinions or my stated opinions here or any other place... you keep repeating this mantra, but I can't imagine why.

In my opinion you *should* care about what goes on in other places. Part of the problem that you have, imho, and that our government has in terms of foreign policy (maybe even in domestic) is that groups of people, and countries are seen mostly as homogenous populations that can be objectivized and dealt with without any apparent attempt to deal with the situation as a whole in a more insightful and perhaps humanistic basis... thus your comments about "nuking" American cities smacks of the same sort of arrogant and narrow thinking that I have just enumerated and that has gotten us into deep ca-ca time and time again...

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Care to give me some links to Christian churches in Saudi, Kuwait, etc etc? Please.

Gunner "The British attitude is to treat society like a game preserve where a certain percentage of the 'antelope' are expected to be eaten by the "lions". Christopher Morton

Or in the PRC.

Jim

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In other words, assuming the military will be able to suppress sabotage and attacks on oil workers sufficiently to maintain optimum production levels, about 2090.

But at the levels of production and military expendures projected for the next year, that works out to $119 from the US taxpayer for every barrel of oil. With the current spot market price of oil being about $30 per barrel, that's not a good deal for us.

Gary

Hmm. Looks like somebody got sold a bill of goods. I'm still trying to figure out exactly who...

Still, I would be interested in *your* take on how long the occupation force will stay in iraq.

Jim

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And lo, it came about, that on Sun, 23 Nov 2003 13:13:19 -0500 in rec.crafts.metalworking , "Peter Reilley" was inspired to utter:

Sorry but Her majesty is still the head of the Church, it comes with the job. Th Archbishop of Canterbury is the senior Lord Spiritual, but the Queen is the head of the Church. And Parliament must approve of any official changes to the Prayerbook. Officially, and by Law, the version of 1662 is the required Prayerbook, although alternative services are allowed by special permission of the various Bishops. But I digress.

And the notion doesn't even come up in Islamic theology. Fancy that.

Uh huh. You've not been to some of the more ... fervent parts of the world? Say India? Or the Arabian Peninsula? Or Berkeley?

Uh huh.

I take it your awareness of the status of any non-Muslim religious service int he Saudi Kingdom is just as relevant.

For your general information, non-muslim clerics are not allowed to officiate at religious activities where there is any chance of a Muslim hearing or seeing it. Which means US Air Force (and I assume Army and Navy) Chaplains are not allowed to hold religious services for the troops except behind closed guarded doors. Last I heard, which was a while ago, I will admit, the Air Force flew chaplains in TDY and out of uniform (no cross on the uniform) and services were announced more by rumor and allusion than by anything so blatant as "the Catholic Chaplain will be here next week."

I seem to recall a incident where some american Politician was accosted by the Religious Police in Riyadh for not being at the Mosque and not being veiled, as is "proper". So feel free to tell me again, how the Israelis are the worse for their treatment of minority religions.

tschus pyotr

There are active Christian churches (and there are synagogues**, some of the latter recently restored to use) in China, mostly in places that have seen a lot of foreign residents over time such as Shanghai and Beijing.

I believe that conversion of a Muslim to Christianity is a capital offense in Saudi Arabia... (and I doubt it's a real good idea to try it in Pakistan or Kuwait).

After the service the Chinese rabbi comes up to him and asks politely what he is doing there.

"Well, naturally, I always want to go to synagogue on a Friday night."

"You Jew?" asks the rabbi.

"Of course I am!"

"Funny, you no look Jewish."

Best regards, Spehro Pefhany

And lo, it came about, that on 23 Nov 2003 14:34:16 -0800 in rec.crafts.metalworking , jim rozen was inspired to utter:

Do the words "Falun Gong" ring any bells? "Pete" seems in dire need of a few history lessons as well.

Have you ever read the Falun Dafa literature? Scary. Somehow I doubt that Li Hongzhi's motives end at enlightenment. The free tai chi (exercise and meditation) is a bit like the free Sunday vegetarian dinner that our local Hare Krishna temple offers...

Best regards, Spehro Pefhany

Please Jim, Israel is the worst. I agree that some other countries have poor records with religious minorities, only Israel fires missiles into neighborhoods of the people that it is oppressing. Only Israel steals the land of their minorities and then condemns them for resisting. Only Israel uses the most modern weapons of war against a civilian population

Other countries deny that they are oppressing their minorities even though it is true. They are ashamed at what they are doing. Only Israel proudly announces to the world that it is a racist state. Israelis prefer the word "Jewish state" rather than "racist state" but they mean the same thing. A country where your rights are determined by your religion and ethnic origin.

Israel is the worst by far. We are complicit in their crimes.

Pete.

You are correct. The not in "The monarch is not nominal head of the Church of England." is a typo on my part.

There was a ruckus a few years back when Charles was having his marital problems that he might not be suitable to be the head of the C of E when the Queen goes. The concern seems to have passed.

Nor most European countries. Most ominously, not in Israel.

I lived for some time in the Middle East. Israel is the worst by far. I have not lived in India not Berkeley. I have known some Indians married to American Christians, there is no problem here or there.

Sounds pretty minor compared to F16's firing rockets into Palestinian neighborhoods. Don't you agree?

Pete.

"jim rozen" wrote

Easy: the Bush-can-do-no-wrong Republicans, who voted for a guy that scoffed at nation-building, and got a guy whose last best excuse for invading Iraq is ... nation-building.

-- Tony P.

Who else? The US taxpayer.

The pullout will start January 21, 2005.

Gary

That better be chicken soup!

Abrasha

Not any kind of soup... And it's not "souper"... Nor is it "super"...

Just ancient, ignorant, murdering, middle eastern souperstition...

On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 01:40:22 -0500, Gary Coffman brought forth from the murky depths:

Yes. (God, Allah, and the American public willing.)

Has anyone here read any of James Bovard's books? I'm curious as to his validity having just seen a quote from his new book "Terrorism and Tyranny". It sounds interesting and I have a vague recolletion of his name but don't recall if he's "real". Your take, please? From a Libertarian book review:

--snip-- Bovard asks: Who's more dangerous, terrorists or governments? Answer: No contest. Between 1980 and 2000, terrorists killed 7,745 people around the globe; governments killed more than 10 million. In fact, in one devastating section, Bovard notes: "The number of people killed during the final FBI assault on Waco -- 80 -- exceeded the total number of American civilians killed in all international terrorist attacks during the 1990s."

--snip--

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