OT - question about liberal opinion

No, you're not; you're just trolling. If you were actually curious you'd phrase the question differently. Similarly, if I asked something like "how is it that you so-called conservatives can ignore any evil if it's done by a Republican, when if it was done by someone else, you'd bomb them", I'd be guilty of rhetoric and overgeneralization.

But I think if you actually did want to get an answer to that question, you might start with your assertion about "anti-american bias." A different spin on that phrase, which might appeal to you more, would be "sovereignty" - that is, the idea that a nation should be governed by its own people, and not by others. From the concept of sovereignty, it follows that a country's leaders should be answerable to their own people; but that it is not reasonable to hold the leaders of other countries to the standards of one's own. That is, I may wish that the king of Norway (or whatever they have) obeyed American ethics and laws; but that's up to the Norwegians, and my business is with my own government.

I am often puzzled by the complete fantasy land people like you live in. How can you be so blind? How can you let yourself be manipulated by people that do so to take advantage of you? How can you simply label people as this or that, and then discount everything from the side you feel you are opposed to? What ever happened to common sense and rational thought?

Bravo. Well put.

Jim

My grandfather, who was definitely a liberal, said the world would be a terrible place if America lost WWII, and he never critized America even after the U.S. occupation authority wrongly classified him as a war criminal and banned from work for 10 years (cut short when civilian rule was restored). Two of his sons, also both liberals, fought in Vietnam in the U.S. Army. One is my father, and his brother didn't become a U.S. citizen or even a resident but simply went back home to Japan after his enlistment was over.

Do you realize that not all members of the left are liberals, just as not all members of the right are conservatives?

Here are Bush's views on sovereignty, specifically sovereign Indian peoples.

It's embarrassing that we elected this guy.

And the notion that liberals in general are anti-American! My God, what an idiot the OP is.

Jeff Harper Tampa, FL

Bob, you are a piece of shit. Your question presupposes falsehoods and is generally insulting.

It's also devisive. Bad for America. Base "us and them" mentality.

Unlike you, Liberals tend to be big patriots and compassionate human beings. Unlike you, they care about the ideals, the principles, that made America great. They understand that it is the responsibility of voters to consider issues, question decisions, and voice their opinions. That's what happens in a properly functioning democracy (unlike the facist state where they'd be forced to be silent).

And unlike you, liberals tend to be tolerant, fair, and respectful of others' opinions. They do not tend to malisciously mischaracterize the people with whom they disagree politically, as you just did. They tend to argue on merit--again unlike you.

Your post reveals un-American views.

Jeff Harper Tampa, FL

And the notion that you have any reading comprehension at all is hysterical.

Many = In General?

Interesting.

Gunner

Confronting Liberals with the facts of reality is very much akin to clubbing baby seals. It gets boring after a while, but because Liberals are so stupid it is easy work." Steven M. Barry

You post reveals a surprising lack of understanding about your own peer group, or a blind and total denial of the facts.

Each and every non liberal reading your litiney above of the alleged pluses of Liberal tolerence and diversity is laughing their asses off, or at the least, shrugging at the huge blind spot you display.

Tolerance? Delight in Diversity? Fair? Respectful? Argue on merit?

Sure Jeff..sure...perhaps inside your own head..but in the real world..liberals tend to be closed minded hateful bigots of the worst kind. You have been listening to way too much of your own propaganda.

Fortunately..the word Liberal has become a stigma. As it should be, based on the credo and actions of those who wear it. Perhaps you should consider using the newest buzz word..Progressive. It will help you escape (albeit temporarily) the stigma. Until the world realizes that Progessive means the same old horseshit that "Liberal" stands for.

Shrug

Gunner

Confronting Liberals with the facts of reality is very much akin to clubbing baby seals. It gets boring after a while, but because Liberals are so stupid it is easy work." Steven M. Barry

Since it is so easy to find exceptions to our stereotypes about what liberals and conservatives must be like, are those labels really very useful? It seems to me the main purpose these labels serve is to get people to be angry at each other for things they didn't themselves do.

I'd rather start out assuming my fellow humans are reasonable, and then learn to hate them one by one as they earn it. If merely applying the label "liberal" to myself is enough to make you believe I am likely to be a closed minded hateful bigot, then I think you must have a very different definition of "liberal" than I do.

He does. Remember, it is very easy to fear. One has only to be, and remain, ignorant. Fear is very hard to overcome; it is far easier to simply hate, and remain ignorant. Hate doesn't lessen the fear, nor make it easier to bear, but it is a way some use to try to do something about their fear. They are mistaken, and continue to suffer.

Ignorance, fear, and hate can be, and are, used by demogogues to herd and corral the fearful. We see ignorance, fear, and hatred of many things, persons, and ideas. Knowledge, understanding, and wisdom come only by overcoming ignorance, resisting fear, and eschewing hatred.

One sees little harshness, name-calling, or stereotyping coming from persons who are knowing, brave, and caring.

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Do you actually know any self-labeled liberals in real life?

So based on the evidence..the Left are ignorant cowards with no compassion. Thanks for the confirmation.

Gunner

Confronting Liberals with the facts of reality is very much akin to clubbing baby seals. It gets boring after a while, but because Liberals are so stupid it is easy work." Steven M. Barry

Ayup. Quite a few. I have friends in many places. And those I interact with. I do live and work in California after all. And you?

Confronting Liberals with the facts of reality is very much akin to clubbing baby seals. It gets boring after a while, but because Liberals are so stupid it is easy work." Steven M. Barry

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Lots. So, would it be too much of a stretch to assume other liberals elsewhere are more like your friends and less like the description you posted?

Uh huh. Argue semantics. Your quote below shows you to be a hater. You hate *liberals*. And for no other reason really than people like you need someone to hate to feel superior. I mean, it's not like liberals beat you up in school.

Deliberately mischaracterizing liberals is your M.O.

But for the record, liberals tend to have higher than average I.Q.'s.

Liberals do NOT "tend to be closed minded hateful bigots of the worst kind." You are projecting your own worst qualities--because it would seem *you* are the prejudiced hater.

Further, it's a fact that liberals are not stupid. For example, I point you to university faculties, which are more liberal than conservative.

By the way, how did you develop such hate for liberals? It's not like liberals beat you up in school.

Jeff Harper Tampa, FL

Good point. Except he secretly hates his liberal friends. He may even hate everybody. (He has he markings of a misanthrope and a self-loather.)

Hey, Gunner, what's your full name and where do you live? You've been calling others "coward."

Jeff Harper Tampa, FL

Oh, one thing he's *not* is backward in coming forward. I'm sure he won't mind me posting this link:

Nearly three years out of date, but ne'ertheless an interesting potted biography.

-- (another) Jeff