Security Systems

Here is a bit more information on security systems, from Richard Fitzgerald in Tulsa, OK. Richard is not a contributor to RCM, but I "drew" on him for more information.

Bob Swinney

Richard Sez:

Can't remember the name, matter-of-fact I just threw it out during the great dumpster filling of 2003. Most of the current burgler alarm equipment is made by ADEMCO. Most of the home security companies just have their name stuck on it. Most modern systems are modem based and dial into the monitoring centers computer and dumps a numerical code identifying the location and type of alarm. Some of the better alarms monitor the phone line for -48V and in the event they loose the voltage they will dial in via a cellphone type of connection. Used to most of the central staiton monitoring was done over a leased pair with a 10ma. current loop, the monitor panel had a under current and over current relay for status. You probably remember those in a lot of the small town police stations usually a small panel with several meters with a couple of lights, it was made by ADEMCO. In larger towns (Tulsa) they would use a series loop that would take in as many as 20 businesses in a large series loop called a McCullah loop. At the central station they had a pen register that moved in relation to a break in the circuit. Each business had a closed loop for the alarm and a relay with a code wheel that was in series with the alarm loop. If you had a premises trip it would cycle the code wheel and the cestral station would mark the code of opens and closes on a pull paper looked a lot like tty paper, the operator would read the code and dispatch to the location bases upon the code. Digital telco CO and interoffice fiber trunks has did away with these type s of alarms

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Bob Swinney
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Some..some..of the current alarm equipment is rebadged Ademco. Particulary those sold by the slash and run companies whom install an alarm system for $19.95 and monitor it for $24 a month for a gazzillion years.

DSC, Napco and a host of other good controls are made by their own factories. Im rather fond of DSC controls myself. Made in Canada.

Gunner, Tech Services manager for an alarm/data/communications company for 17 yrs, before getting into the machine tool business in '97 "At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child - miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke

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Gunner

DSC was sold last year.

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Tony

Whom/where is the new owner?

Gunner

"At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child - miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke

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Gunner

Which also owns Simplex, and they make a proprietary DSC panel for Simplex. If Simplex is involved in the install that's what you'll get if you're not careful. I chose DSC for a large job including access doors several years ago and they worked out pretty well. They had an edge over the similar class of NAPCO panel at the time as far as the number of zones. We considered adding the access control to the JCI Metasys system but it was way too costly and the functions were limited.

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ATP

Dan,

Here's a couple I found through Google.

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Neighbor that got hit is having an ADT system installed today. $250 installation, $30/mo monitoring. Homesecuritystore.com has a link to monitoring for $9/mo. Haven't talked to anyone about that yet, wonder just how good a service they can really provide at that price. But with the neighbor's ADT install it's obvious they are offering the system cheap and making $$ on the monitoring.

Jon

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Jon Anderson

I understand what you are saying, but the other side of the coin is a tech spending all day long installing an alarm system for a total cost of $250 including the control panel, wiring, and all sensors. You can't tell me that's a profitable price. A good part of the $30/month he's going to be paying is to cover that install and equipment. Oh yeah, that's two year contract. An install without the monitoring contract was quoted at around $1200....

Jon

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Jon Anderson

Actually, the last 3 times I've needed consumables for an inkjet printer, it has wound up cheaper to simply buy a new printer. They're always on sale somewhere at a giveaway price. The last one was on sale for $49.95 with a $50 mail in rebate. In other words, Canon paid me a nickel to take the printer. Can't find that kind of deal on ink cartridges.

Gary

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Gary Coffman

Gunner, do you know anything about Alarm Relay Inc, based in San Diego? They offer monitoring for $8.95/mo through the homesecuritystore website. They can deal with most alarms except Brinks and some ADT systems. There is a one-time setup/programming fee and they want a year paid in advance. Given they are 1/2 to 1/3 the going rate, I can see where they don't want the expense/hassle of billing. And that does amount to a default contract, but only a year at a time.

Jon

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Jon Anderson

I've used the hex head screws from mcmaster carr, where they are tightned up via the hex head, and then once tight one snaps off the hex with a breaker bar, leaving a flat dome-shaped head. These were machine screws, don't know if they make similar as lag screws.

Jim

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jim rozen

Tim,

No, it's standard wood. It's a rental too, so I really can't do a lot of things I would like to. I'm debating even asking about this one. Once it's installed he's not likely to make me take it down...

Jim,

Will have to take another look through McMaster, didn't see the ones you described. If I could find those in lag bolts, I'd be real happy!

Grant,

Wife works at the county jail, I'm sure I can arrange a visit and look around.

Thanks!

Jon

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Jon Anderson

Put a bead of weld on them.

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Beecrofter

Good idea but use epoxy not polyester - much stronger bond.

Ted

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Ted Edwards

Fast & Dirty:

Get a lag & cut off the head Get a tamper proof lug nut set from NAPA Weld nuts to lags

Ted

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William E. Williams III

Thanks for the thought! When we own our own home I'll go to that effort. Here, the kitchen is too small to get "trapped" in, and the front door is just a couple feet to the right. Living quarters are the whole upstairs, and we have an emergency chain ladder that can be let down from any other window.

As for "security" fasteners, while looking to see if there might be any bargains on ebay for alarm systems, I ran across a very complete set of drivers for practically every "tamper resistant" fastener on the market, selling for under $12. So much for that one.. Think I'm going to custom mill the heads of lag bolts in the three-lobe profile centerless grinders hate. I think I can come up with a profile sufficiently close to constant diameter that after case hardening, nobody is going to get much of a bite on them with vise grips, yet still be able to get a decent grip with a matching driver.

Jon

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Jon Anderson

The last set of security bars I saw installed, had one side hinged, and the opposite side had a pair of stainless steel rods that came through the wall, via a couple weathertight grommits, and were secured on the inside of the room, with a pair of small cotterpin/hitchpins, backing up a large washer. The cotter pin secured rod ends were under a small plastic cover, that had a small piece of stainless wire rope secured to the cotter pins and were pressed on the ends of the rods, with a wide flange covering the pins and cable for cosmetic reasons, and then painted to match the walls. One simply pulled on the plastic covers, they came off the ends of the rods, and one simply continued to pull and the cotters came out of the rods, and then one simply pushed the bars out of the way and escaped the flames. They appeared quite simple to make, very low profile and not the least unsightly, and if one had drapes, the drapes covered the two covers completly.

Gunner "At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child - miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke

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Gunner

"One way" lag screws are available at most suppliers. They take a special tool to install, and are a bear to get out.

Steve

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Desert Traveler

Visegrips can grab constant-diameter just fine. Put a bit of taper on the sides so visegrips can't get a grip but just slide off the hardened surface when tightened.

After you've made 'em and case-hardened 'em, I'd zinc plate them for you if you'd like, no charge. It only takes a few minutes.

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Don Foreman

Not that I know of but if you pick up a Rawl fastner catalog, you'll find that their strongest method for fastening to concrete is threaded rod epoxied into a drilled hole. In general, polyester is not known for high bond strengths. Ted

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Ted Edwards

And lo, it came about, that on Fri, 12 Sep 2003 04:15:10 GMT in rec.crafts.metalworking , Gunner was inspired to utter:

Don't forget Safety Razors. Gillete gave them away - the money was in the blades.

And the first serious toothpick manufacturer sent a "shill" round to restaurants to eat dinner, and then make a small scene about having something stuck in his teeth and "no toothpicks?".

And let us not forget that it was the printing press which created a problem it could solve (illiteracy wasn't a "problem" when books were the equivalent of $20,000 - and up.).

Don't sell the steak, sell the sizzle.

pyotr

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pyotr filipivich

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