SolidWorks

On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 20:16:57 -0400, Gary Coffman wrote:

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Not any less despicable than the way the recording industry operates. Don't get me wrong, I neither side with the music industry, nor the pirateers. But the industry has had it coming for a long time IMO. They're now reaping what they've sown. As for the car analogy, how do you copy a car?

Why not *preemptively* make a (legal) backup copy then, rather than waiting for it to fail? That's the usual practice with s/w.

And it's an attitude that's the bane of many an other industry too.....damn the consumer, there's PROFITS to be made!

If you *can*...they're taking that right away in using copy protection on newer CDs (not that I give a flying f**k; there hasn't been much of anything I'd care to own in the last ~10 years).

Or it may be a bunch of crap even the artist doesn't much care for...to fill up an album and fulfill their obligation. That's certainly not unusual.

Their (the audience's) loss.

It also may mean that I will never be exposed to any of the contrived formula drivel intended to be a mainstream hit....thankfully.

I've been following this thread with much amusement. Putting aside the moral/ethical issues for a moment (after all, your morals/ethics are not mine, nor the next person's), the music industry is fighting a losing battle. P2P sharing is getting quite sophisticated. They may stamp out Kazaa and their ilk, and they may make examples of the people that they catch, but the next generation of P2P apps is here (the name escapes me at the moment....I don't personally use P2P s/w, favoring Usenet distribution instead), and it uses encryption to make tracing users exceedingly difficult, if not impossible. That said, I have nearly 500 256k MP3 CDs encoded from lossless posts of totally_legal *great* music from bands that allow taping at their shows. Not just Dead, but quite a few other bands that "get it", and they've still profited enormously in their sales of studio CDs despite all this taping/trading going on. IMO, it's (studio music piracy) partially the fault of the bands themselves for disallowing taping at shows. What really galled me was when the music industry persuaded the powers that be to slap a surcharge on blank DAT tapes to preemptively collect royalties on music yet to be recorded! It effectively made me have to subsidize their artists (or rather, the music industry) when I recorded my_own_music that I compose/play! Or to record bands that allow_taping. This effectively killed DAT's widespread acceptance (though CDs essentially finished it off). Is this fair/moral/ethical? I think not. The tides have turned, the music industry is in deep_shit, and I'm certainly not gonna shed any tears over their demise. F**k 'em. I've got enough music to listen to for *two* lifetimes.

- DW

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DW
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It's worse than that in Canada. I pay a "levy" on every blank CD-R that I buy, which is supposed to be distributed to the recording industry once they figure out who's entitled to how much (but I'll be it goes mostly to the record companies, not the artists). Thus, every time I burn a CD full of digital camera images, or to back up data from my thesis, or anything else, a substantial fraction of the cost of the blank media is this tax.

It's supposed to compensate for people using CD-Rs to illegally copy music, but I've *never* done that myself. I just don't have any CD-Rs with music on them, not even legal copies of recordings that I've paid for. That's certainly not fair.

Dave

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Dave Martindale

She's 18 now, she will win the court case to be released from the contract. Perpetual child slavery, I don't think so. Every album

*costs* her money.... ?

John

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John Flanagan

Sure it does. Fuck them and f*ck the horse they rode in on. All they've EVER done from Day One is rob, cheat, and abuse both the customers and the musicians. They can go directly to Hell; the sooner, the better. We do not need them any more. They do not provide a service of any kind. They are leeches and parasites and extortionists sucking at the bloodstreams of both musicians and customers. Die, RIAA, die.

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Excitable Boy

Im with you Hamei.......

"Be recording star"---"Become rich and famous"---"Make the hit parade"---"Sell a million records"........"Sign this contract"...............

Music should be about having fun.......Entertaining for both the musicians and the audience.

While there have been paid musicians likely since before recorded history, a sour note was cast upon the art when the means became available to record and reproduce music......It was the recording industry and the popular artists caused the change.....They are *both* at fault--due to greed........ But the recording industry has the better lawyers, so most of the artists get screwed, along with their faithful listeners...........

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PrecisionMachinist

I'm a customer of theirs and they've never cheated me, I seriously doubt they have ever cheated a customer. Unless you think charging a price higher than you want to pay is cheating. I'm sure they give the musicians bad contract offers but no one was forcing them to sign, was there? But taking advantage of someone due to their naivity is dishonest and cheating.

John

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John Flanagan

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(item F, near end of page) shows $4995.00/user SolidWorks license cost, 1295.00/user annual maintenance cost, 1000.00/user training cost but doesn't specifically say if these are MSRP numbers.

-jiw

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James Waldby
[If you're looking for software that does pretty much the same thing for a much lower price, take a look at Inovate and Alibre. While they aren't the standard of the industry (yet) they do have solids modeling, parametrics and construction history, among other high-end features. I sell both of these programs through my site.]

Andrew Werby

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Andrew Werby

I was surprised at the $5k price for solid works, I thought 5 years ago it was $500. Alibre is about $500 now, if it becomes an industry standard, I bet it will be $5k+ in 5 years.

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Vince Iorio

Just got an email from SolidWorks.

If you use SolidWorks or are thinking about using SolidWorks see their webcast link at

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