still work out there - MN

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Gunner

If your grammer is correct then I would hope he has learned a lesson. Credit CARDS????? Sounds like he was trying to live far beyond his means. Just how many of those cards were at the credit limit?

It appears that he needs a crash course on managing his income.

I seem to alway find myself 3 hrs late. Maybe a bigger flux capacitor?

Wes

It sounds like you're already fluxed!

=============== It all depends on your objectives/perspective and position in the food chain.

If you have large amounts of available capital, times could not be better. Huge profits are being made, and the proles are not yet rioting, for example throwing the brokers out the windows on the 37th story or off the roof, rather than waiting for them to jump.

Unka' George [George McDuffee]

------------------------------------------- He that will not apply new remedies, must expect new evils: for Time is the greatest innovator: and if Time, of course, alter things to the worse, and wisdom and counsel shall not alter them to the better, what shall be the end?

Francis Bacon (1561-1626), English philosopher, essayist, statesman. Essays, "Of Innovations" (1597-1625).

Sounds more like a timing problem...

That's where the Amero comes in...

General Wesley K. Clark on Roswell

Added November 3, 2004 Last updated on: November 14, 2007

Q: Gen. Clark, when you were running for President, you said you thought mankind would one day fly faster than light and visit the stars. My question is, when you were in the military were you ever briefed on the subject of U.F.O.s?

At this point Clark looked down for a moment and shook his head, perhaps somewhat chagrined at being put on the spot or thinking how he should respond, but then looked at me and answered:

A: I heard a bit. In fact, I'm going to be in Roswell, New Mexico tonight.

Q: So you were briefed?

A: There are things going on. But we will have to work out our own mathematics.

Arthur C. Clarke

"The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible." "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." "When you dream what is possible, and add a knowledge of physics, you make it happen."

There is one of those.

One could also look back a little at our history George. We apparently have decided to follow the Nixon/Burns 1970/1971 plan, It screwed us then and it will screw us now.

Can you provide some more information? Who is funding? Website/URL? Conclusions?

........................ If at first you don't succeed try, try again.... However this still does not answer the question "does *THE* future exist, or multiple possible futures with differing degrees of probability," and at what level, e.g. individual/short-term, micro, macro.

A major difference between Nixon/Burns and now appears to be the existence of the WTO/NAFTA and the huge proliferation of trans-national corporations outside anyone's control/oversight. Unfortunately, many of our financial powerhouses fall into this category, leading to thoughts about Frankenstein's monster.

Unka' George [George McDuffee]

------------------------------------------- He that will not apply new remedies, must expect new evils: for Time is the greatest innovator: and if Time, of course, alter things to the worse, and wisdom and counsel shall not alter them to the better, what shall be the end?

Francis Bacon (1561-1626), English philosopher, essayist, statesman. Essays, "Of Innovations" (1597-1625).

I suggest you put your boots on the ground in the Red states before you make that claim. Might cause you to revise it abit.

Gunner

#1 - I hope we never find out. #2 - I hope we never find out . . #99 - I hope we never find out.

#100 The US agricultural areas have undergone drastic socio-economic/cultural changes over the last generation, and these changes continue to accelerate. The small family farms are all but gone, and the larger/mega-corporate farms are heavily dependent of government programs/subsidizes. Internal migration from rural to the urban areas is at least as rapid in the red states as the blue states. "Political Correctness" is as rampant in the red state schools as the blue states. The red/agricultural states do not appear to have had any more success in limiting government [growth] than the red states, for example term limits and/or TaBor. In short, while your observations may well have been correct about our grandfathers, and even our fathers, that was then and this is now.

Red States -- legends in their own mind....

Unka' George [George McDuffee]

------------------------------------------- He that will not apply new remedies, must expect new evils: for Time is the greatest innovator: and if Time, of course, alter things to the worse, and wisdom and counsel shall not alter them to the better, what shall be the end?

Francis Bacon (1561-1626), English philosopher, essayist, statesman. Essays, "Of Innovations" (1597-1625).

The above has something to do with it.

Yep, but who gets screwed, people like me that has not owed anything to anybody for 25 years now. (well except for the Dallas business & BPP taxes) for stuff that's been paid for 25 years. Interest rates on savings & CD's have crashed. I guess I should have taken out a big loan that I couldn't pay & the gimmyMent would bail me out with my tax money cause I was stupid, but they use my tax money & bail out stupid people & the Bear S big corps..

In my next life I think I will be a dope dealer instead of a machine shop owner. No tools , machines to buy, no BPP taxes, cash payment..

Sad what this has come to...

The WH. It's the Presidents Council on Economic Affairs or something like that.

There isn't really much doubt about a couple of things.

1) Inflation is taking off. 2) We are only putting off the inevitable for a short time.

Not really at issue. Interest rates, at some point in the future will have to go up. A lot. Someone is also going to have to put a floor under the dollar and then provide appropriate support for it. Repeating the mistakes of the past and expecting different results is the very definition of insanity. The difference now isn't globalization. It's the modification or elimination of Usury laws that happened between '79 and '84. The credit markets would be in much better, perhaps even excellent, condition right now had that easing been gradually removed when Greenspan began his rate cutting spree in 2001.

Credit card issuers and Banks will tell you that deregulating fee caps and raising interest rate caps to the point that they legalize usury has allowed tens of millions of Americans to enjoy the benefits of plastic money. They say this as though there is some intrinsic benefit to society. They also do not point out that their long term downside has been significantly altered by changes to the bankruptcy code over the last decade.

All of this combined can equally well be stated as follows:

"We, The Issuers of Credit of the United States of America, hereby Grant and Gaurantee that with the cooperation of the government, we'll chase you all the way to the Grave for your unpaid debt."

America now has a class of financially indentured servant that is powerless to change their condition in any meaningful way. Deliberately.

You left out: A short life expectancy, crazed drug users killing you, and no retirement plan.

Everyone but the select few that rake the pot.

Jesus H Christ, wasn't one enough for ya'. LOL

You must have different history books than I have here George The US has teamed up with the Japanese, Chinese and Europeans many times in the last 40 years to prop up the dollar. In fact, my just having written "prop up the dollar" ought to ring a bell.

============ History clearly shows this has never happened. Apparently governments can no more avoid debasing their currency than people can avoid getting old, so its not a moral/ethical thing. This was occurring long before the introduction of paper currency.

results have always been the same.

There are currently no US treasury dollars in circulation, rather only Federal Reserve [a private corporation] certificates [check your bill fold to verify] with no backing, i.e. a totally fiat currency. This is how the constitutional mandate for at least gold/silver *BACKED* governmental currency [Article I §10] is evaded.

The only "people" that could possibly even attempt this is the US government, and as Ron Paul is not going to be elected president, the gold dollar will not be (re)introduced. Given the convoluted, baroque, and arcane nature of the current US economic/financial environment, a new stable currency may well be the "kiss of death."

Unka' George [George McDuffee]

------------------------------------------- He that will not apply new remedies, must expect new evils: for Time is the greatest innovator: and if Time, of course, alter things to the worse, and wisdom and counsel shall not alter them to the better, what shall be the end?

Francis Bacon (1561-1626), English philosopher, essayist, statesman. Essays, "Of Innovations" (1597-1625).

I guess I didn't make myself clear. The revisions to the various laws protect ONLY the lender and are completely at the expense of the borrower.

I couldn't agree more George.

Never say never. Some cataclysmic series of events could change things quickly. Hell, just look at Iraq.