Gunner,
I finished it last night and can see why you might get a hard on for it.
The Great Cull in action!
But, bear with for a moment... Without organization - such as a militia - and without a formal declaration -
it's just murder.
The book is extremely boring. I read it 10 years ago and did not even finish. The author has a fascination with gun parts so 2/3 of the book is about gun parts.
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No argument with that...
Actually, for a more readable, and a more realistic story, I'd recommend "Defiance" (IIRC was named "Vandenburg" in first print) by Oliver Lange.
This story is on a similar vein as The Movie Red Dawn but was written earlier. It's well crafted and interesting.
cavelamb on Tue, 10 Aug 2010 12:02:16 -0500 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
Even if there was a "formal declaration" and an Official Organization, it will still be called "murder." So what?
Does "murder" become acceptable because a guy is wearing an official uniform, belongs to an Official Organization, and possibly even draws a paycheck for such belonging? No.
But the real question to contemplate: if the government is not constrained by the law, why should I be? Aside from the disparate levels of force available?
tschus pyotr
-- pyotr filipivich "We are today in the most literal sense a lawless society, for our law has ceased to be law and become instead its opposite -- mere force at the disposal of whoever is at the controls." Charles A. Reich, _Peters Quotations_, (c) 1977.
I'm guessing that this is not the book you are referring to?
Pretty good read, lots of examples of things going wrong, missed the references to the gun parts though.
I bought that one, thanks
Uh, no
Hum, no, that's not the one... :)
this one has a much more interesting cover...
I take your point, pytor, but yes, among nations, the formal declaration is very important.
Change the scale of your thinking for a moment.
Instead of people, think nations. Does a sovereign nation have the right to defend itself or not?
Your last point, however, is exactly the thesis of this book. His argument is that BECAUSE of the difference in force, resources, etc that can be brought to bear by the government, individual people should rise up and kill government officials that had wronged them personally. (At least that is what HAPPENED in the story)
Which now begs these questions...
Does the government have the right to defend it's members from the population?
Does the population have the right to defend themselves from the government?
Is there a limit to how far we can go?
If so, where is that limit?
I believe that the limits we impose on our personal behavior are normally quite well marked.
But crowds are not people, and have no conscience.
And neither are governments.
I'm not endorsing the 'great cull' but war crimes and treason are generally committed by the losers.
Wes
What the heck. Did that book go out of print? Damn, glad I bought a copy when it was cheap. The dust jacket on mine had a suggested price of 28.95 .
Wes
-- "Additionally as a security officer, I carry a gun to protect government officials but my life isn't worth protecting at home in their eyes." Dick Anthony Heller
Yes. And?
Did you notice the final result were exactly as intended?
Gunner
"A conservative who doesn't believe? in God simply doesn't pray; a godless liberal wants no one to pray. A conservative who doesn't like guns doesn't buy one; a liberal gun-hater wants to disarm us all. A gay conservative has sex his own way; a gay liberal requires us all to watch and accept his perversion and have it taught to children. A conservative who is offended by a radio show changes the station; an offended liberal wants it banned, prosecuted and persecuted." Bobby XD9
So the US has engaged in widespread muder by being involved in
None of those actions involved a formal Declaration of War.
Is that your claim?
Hence the deaths of the guilty.
Sometimes, one simply has to raise the Black Flag, and start cutting throats.
Gunner
"A conservative who doesn't believe? in God simply doesn't pray; a godless liberal wants no one to pray. A conservative who doesn't like guns doesn't buy one; a liberal gun-hater wants to disarm us all. A gay conservative has sex his own way; a gay liberal requires us all to watch and accept his perversion and have it taught to children. A conservative who is offended by a radio show changes the station; an offended liberal wants it banned, prosecuted and persecuted." Bobby XD9
Actually...no..its this one....
"A conservative who doesn't believe? in God simply doesn't pray; a godless liberal wants no one to pray. A conservative who doesn't like guns doesn't buy one; a liberal gun-hater wants to disarm us all. A gay conservative has sex his own way; a gay liberal requires us all to watch and accept his perversion and have it taught to children. A conservative who is offended by a radio show changes the station; an offended liberal wants it banned, prosecuted and persecuted." Bobby XD9
You missed the whole point of the book, dude. Go back and read it to the end this time, eh?
If you liked that, you'll love his other book:
If I still have mine, I would love to sell it and I can definitely settle for less than that!
Catch, Randy
Now $225.00 WOW.
Sorry no way I'm buying that.
Thank You, Randy
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Need a copy to read on your computer? They are readily available all over the internet. About a 3.5meg download.
I sent 3 hard cover copies to the middle east, and got them all back, signed and dated by the various readers, then resent them back to the ME about 8 times. Ive lost track of them in the last couple years. I have MY copy on the shelf of course and it doesnt go anywhere. But the book itself is downloadble all across the Net.
Gunner
"A conservative who doesn't believe? in God simply doesn't pray; a godless liberal wants no one to pray. A conservative who doesn't like guns doesn't buy one; a liberal gun-hater wants to disarm us all. A gay conservative has sex his own way; a gay liberal requires us all to watch and accept his perversion and have it taught to children. A conservative who is offended by a radio show changes the station; an offended liberal wants it banned, prosecuted and persecuted." Bobby XD9
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