Welding is very dangerous

I had breakfast with Mike this morning. We have a commercial property in Redondo. Actually, he does, I just hooked it up. OOOH Baby! The thing is upside down but what I caught Holy Hell for was not being more forcefull in my comments when he and I sat down some months ago. HUH? I don't think my advice to get over to the nearest Bosley clinic was appreciated either. The Eggs Florentine at the Beverly Wilshire are still GREAT though.

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John R. Carroll
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A frog fetus won't become a human. A human fetus can. Murder is murder, whether or not the "fetus" has passed through the birth canal or not.

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Zootal

Is that at the point before or after the lizard tail disappears?

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cavelamb himself

Ha-ha! Send him a copy of David Crosby's "Almost Cut My Hair." I find that balding people appreciate that.

Phffft! I had Cheerios and a banana at my picnic table....sheesh.

-- Ed Huntress

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Ed Huntress

How far did you have to chase the monkey? ;-)

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Michael A. Terrell

Does it have a passage about mid life crisis management? Christiane Northrup says we all, men and women, go through menopause. I think he's there.

Yeah but you paid for your meal. Hmmmm. Maybe I did as well come to think of it. I love good food and interesting conversation Ed and if I ever quit smoking I'll look like one of those guys they have to rescue from their bed's with a tow truck. I'll be the guy with an ear bud in each ear yacking away.

I eat Cheerios in bed from the box. How do you keep the banana from making a mess? LOL

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John R. Carroll

The problem is..is that the sole difference between what you call a fetus and a baby is its location. By your defintion..its a fetus inside the womb, and 20 seconds later, its a baby after exiting the womb.

Your ilk really need to come up with a better definition of fetus. Try one based on viability outside the womb.

A fetus in my world, is a polywog that hasnt developed human charectoristics yet. The moment it is fully formed, it becomes a baby, no matter if its in the womb or not.

I should note, that Im Pro Choice. And I carry it further than you do. If you are allowed to murder your baby before its born, I believe you should be able to murder it after its born. All the way up to the age of Majority, where it becomes an independant entity, rather than a parasitic tissue mass.

And if it moves back into your basement, its fair game again as it reverts to being a parasitic tissue mass. Like many posters here in fact.

Gunner

"Obama, raises taxes and kills babies. Sarah Palin - raises babies and kills taxes." Pyotr Flipivich

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Gunner Asch

No. The ear canal is from 10 to 100x the diameter of a molten BB of steel. Stand back and watch someone weld, and see how much "stuff" flies, particularly in the MIG mode. You need something to completely plug that tube.

When I do pipe, I will leave the ear that points down to the floor open so that I can hear the telltale hiss of burning a keyhole root pass. There are times when listening to a weld is vital, as in that application, and just getting MIG settings right.

But if you weld a lot, sooner or later, you're going to get a dingleberry in your ear. Hopefully it isn't bad. But if it is, it can get REAL bad. And I mean time in the hospital bad.

Steve

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SteveB

Which Ultralight helicopter and how did it perform? I'm interested in them but will probably never be able to afford one. Karl

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kfvorwerk

Good grief. You slice it and put the slices on the Cheerios. I should send you a new _Gourmet_ cookbook.

-- Ed Huntress

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Ed Huntress
< Which Ultralight helicopter and how did it perform? I'm interested in them but will probably never be able to afford one. Karl

Karl: It was the Mosquito Air and I was thoroughly impressed with the stability and control. I only had about 10 minutes with it so I didn't fly it high and try some autorotations but I did hover and air taxi the thing from one end of the airport to the other. Stu

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Stuart Fields

Invoking one of the Supremes is useless in the discussion.

4/9ths of them couldn't even interpret the 2dn Amendment correctly.

Mark

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Mark Dunning

The generally accepted definition of a "human being" is one that is viable, i.e. able to live outside the womb on its own. The legal definition varies from state to state but that is generally what is used. If the fetus is far enough along to survive but hasn't been delivered, some states consider it a viable human and a person can be charged with murder for killing it.

Jim

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Jim Chandler

You know what I find interesting about that? That was pretty much the definition in western society and churches for close to 2,000 years, before the 1840s or so (1869 for the Catholic Church).

Somebody started thinking, around 1820 and for the next half-century, that all those earlier Christians were wrong, and that the system of rights that evolved from English common law into the "rights of Englishmen," and eventually our Bill of Rights, also was just all wrong on the subject.

"Quickening," "doctrine of delayed ensoulment," etc. -- it all said about the same thing. Abortion is acceptable until what we would now call sometime around the middle of the second trimester.

The Catholic Church, despite what has been said by Cardinal Egan and many others, only opposed abortion unevenly before 1869. And the reason they opposed it was not because of the life of the fetus. It was because an aborted pregnancy was prima facie evidence of sex that was performed for a reason other than procreation. The mother was assigned penance because she sinned in sex, not because she committed homicide. Period.

-- Ed Huntress

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Ed Huntress

Here's what the Bible says about a fetus - Jeremiah.

Jer 1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations. KJV

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Al Patrick

I'm sure you could find similar in the Quaran. Fortunately the framers of the United States Constitution didn't create a Theocracy. You know, like Iraq has now done with our blessing and Iran did when they threw out the Shah.

You aren't an advocate of Sharia Law for America are you?

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John R. Carroll

damn right. my welding instructor wore earplugs. sad to say, i don't, but maybe i'll start now.

your story sounds about right. with a serious burn, recovery from the burn itself is the easy part; the hard part is that it's really really easy for infection to take hold when the burned skin sloughs away, and that's often a nightmare. and in your ear canal? geezus. so, maybe I'll start with the earplugs now.

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z

I missed the Staff meeting, but the Memos showed that Gunner Asch wrote on Mon, 15 Sep 2008 20:31:31 -0700 in rec.crafts.metalworking :

Egad, how progressive of you! Not like when I was a boy!

Oh, wait, I see. A bit of moderation. Glad to see you hadn't abandoned all that had kept the Roman Empire strong in its heyday. That had been Roman law for most of the Republic and the early days of the empire: the Pater Familias could have any son killed for whatever reason, regardless of the boy's age. Interesting detail, though. Apparently, you couldn't just "bump off" an adopted son. The Law gave him a more protected status. Makes a kind of sense.

Anyway, Remember, the ACLU has fought in court and won the right to starve useless mouths. So they have served some useful function - for certain values of "useful."

tschus pyotr

-- pyotr filipivich "I had just been through hell and must have looked like death warmed over walking into the saloon, because when I asked the bartender whether they served zombies he said, ?Sure, what'll you have?'" from I Hear America Swinging by Peter DeVries

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pyotr filipivich

Stu Thanks for the reply and info. I'm looking it up now. Karl

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kfvorwerk

As usual, I'm stunned by the depth and variety of knowledge on RCM. This time, I, for once, might be able to add something that perhaps was unknown to the group:

In traditional astrology, the horoscope (natal chart) was to be made for the moment when the baby took its first breath, because, supposedly, with the first breath, the soul entered the body. I don't think the astrologers would have dared to hold this opinion if it had been in opposition to the doctrine of the Church.

Unfortunately I can't give sources for this, as it was a long time since I came across this odd piece of information.

S.

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Sevenhundred Elves

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