What is it? Set 439

Thanks, I just sent the owner of it an email with the answer, I guess I'll send him another one with the patent for it.

As to the electrolysis rig, I did a bit of diatribbling also.

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HEY! What happened to my three-page diatribe on it, which preceded this one?

I even explained how to use it! (which I have done)

Lloyd

"Stormin Mormon" fired this volley in news:3lEor.17921$ snipped-for-privacy@news.usenetserver.com:

Hmmm... are we all posting on different groups?

I was the first to post on rcm about it, according to the flow of the thread. Even the times were right. How can two other people post hours before I do, and still show my post as the first one? (no, not according to time zones, but by Gtime.)

This puts some dissapointment factor in bothering to respond, if you don't at least get Rob's "reward" when you're right and first.

Lloyd

Posting from rec.crafts.metalworking as always.

2545) Hmm ... looks like a combination of an ornate key and a match lit firearm, based on the presence of what looks like a touch-hole partially intersecting the last decorative ring.

I like the S-shaped ward at the end of the key, too.

2546) Lab apparatus for demonstrating the breaking up of water into oxygen and hydrogen by the application of an electric current.

You put two electrodes in the bottom end of the two Burette tubes (inverted from normal arrangement), add water (with a little salt or acid to make it more conductive), open the stopcocks at the tops of the Burettes and pour in the water until the level is just beyond the stockcocks and close the stopcocks. Then apply DC to the two electrodes, and notice the volume on the Burettes (if they are graduated -- it is difficult to tell with this photo.

When it has run for a time you can connect the tops of the stopcocks to rubber tubes to guide the generated gas to other containers. One Burette will produce oxygen, and the ohter hydrogen. Mix them into a single container and you will have a nice explosive mixture. :-)

2547) A coin which has been run between to loosely-meshed (but heavy duty) gears. Looks as though it once was a US quarter dollar.

2548) To answer the stated question -- yes it has a specific use.

However, I don't know what that use is. Perhaps it is for removing debris from a sewer.

2549) Hmm ... is it rigid or resilient? From the length, and the location found I would suspect that it might be an early form of condom. They have been made from eel-skin and from sheep intestines in past times. I have read of the eelskin ones being found still floating in the city sewers

But it looks rather tight at the small (left) open end for that use.

It could be a bulb for a form of medicine dropper, again assuming that it is not rigid.

2550) Not a clear enough photo to be very clear in my guesses. :-)

Could it be that when the handles of the plier end are opened the wings of the other end close? Then it could be inserted into a just-drilled hole, and used to debur the inside end of the hole. The material looks to be bronze (unless that is an artifact of the illumination and the white-balance settings of the camera). The central screw seems to be steel at least.

Now to post this and then see what others have suggested.

Enjoy, DoN.

Stuart cut in line!

At what time did you send your reply? When I look at rcm your reply is the

6th one from the top.

I think the wings are stationary, I forgot to include this description by the owner of the tool:

"It is brass, the top is spring loaded, (I think to release it) when pulled it expands the bottom part."

Thanks to everyone who answered the electrolysis device and the shovel, I'm intrigued by the last item in this set and hope to get it identified soon. The rest of the answers for this set can be seen here:

Rob

"Rob H." fired this volley in news: snipped-for-privacy@news6.newsguy.com:

Boy, I wish I could confirm that. According to my posting, it was the very first post for that item. My news server won't let me retrieve more than about two or three hours' worth of already-read posts. So I guess my claim is moot.

I'll check next time I throw in a guess (no... I'm NOT quitting! ), and make sure I have the statistics.

I'm guessing this is a news server update issue. Probably my server - and many others - only update periodically and maybe infrequently, and miss stuff between the time some posts are made, and the time they send forward the messages.

Your contribution here is fun. I wouldn't just take my marbles and go home because of something this trivial. I was just "beefin'".

LLoyd

2550

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Well, if I look at an unthreaded view sorted by Order Received I see the following posters/times

Rob H (OP) 5/3 3:14AM Stuart 4:29AM Alexander Thesoso 5:04 "" 5:15 Storm 5:27 Leon 7:07 Lloyd 7:45 Dave_67 7:58 ... ...

If I thread the view, then your 7:45 response that identifies it shows up as a response to Leon just ahead of you in the time queue.

In this case it appears that Stu was both the first respondent overall as well as the first to identify the electrolysis apparatus.

nntp is by definition not a lossless protocol; the dissemination is on a more or less ad hoc basis although most servers do eventually get most articles there's no guarantee they will receive them in the order they were submitted altho the date stamp will remain. And, of course, there's no checking that the posters' various clocks are in synch, either.

I generally use the 'Order received' date instead of date for a sort and a threaded view as that tends to keep the threading more consistent but for the above statistics it's strictly ascending order of the article date for the thread...

So, Stu did beat you out, clearly...better luck next time. :)

(BTW, who the h-hockey sticks is up at 3 and 4 AM? I'm farming and I'm not around that soon... :) I guess if I were milking I might be; thank goodness for at least small favors it's not a dairy.)

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dpb fired this volley in news:jo1l1r$da4$1 @speranza.aioe.org:

No denying that... like I said, "just beefin'", which, as a farmer, you'd understand. (posting from cattle country, where the 'girls' in the cow-calf operation usually wake me up before the clock does).

LLoyd

It almost looks like a tool used to insert a boiler tube into the plate. It slides into the tube, you turn the end to tighten down the internal jaws and then use a section of pipe over the other end to steer the tube into place.

On 5/4/2012 5:37 PM, Lloyd E. Sponenburgh wrote: ...

Well, around here is where they end up...

And that's a very small listing of the total...the closest to the house isn't listed w/ their capacity of about 27K on feed. They're about 3 mi east and a mile north to the office/feed mill area; the bunks run a full mile N-S and south end abuts the north side of the east quarter.

National Beef has one packing facility in town and two more in the SW corner; one in Dodge and another in Garden. Excel has another faciity in Dodge as well.

Seaboard has a large hog facility about 45 mi away in the OK panhandle so there are a lot of pig finishers around as well.

We historically ran heifers on wheat pasture and milo stubble over the winter and sold them as stockers in the spring w/ the exception of the few hundred kept and fed out in our own small operation while farmed during the summer months. Then started over in the fall. Dad retired before I came back and the change in the markets have essentially closed the small operations out except for those that want to feed a few for private sale. I've chosen to stay out being at almost retirement age meself...

That'll put you right at the north side of the feedlot. If you really zoom in, you can probably count 'em... :)

dpb fired this volley in news:jo1rh0$rh8$1 @speranza.aioe.org:

You can't stay out here. According to one estimate (a few years ago), North-Central Florida was the second largest beef cattle producer in the country. We're thick with 'em. I have 20 acres ("retirement farm") and

14 acres of it runs in cow-calf. Three of the remaining six is in sod- cutting production.

If you've got _any_ land at all here, it's in cows or grass or cabbage or potatoes (about in that order). 'Can't afford the taxes, otherwise.

Lloyd

On 5/4/2012 7:38 PM, Lloyd E. Sponenburgh wrote: ...

Yeah, but it rains down there... :)

14A here wouldn't support a scrawny cow, what more a cow-calf operation. :)

If you zoomed out and panned around a little, you'll have seen it's almost all farm country except for the area on either side of the river breaks that is native range grassland and quite a lot is irrigated.

The circles right around the feedlot are alfalfa for their use; in the overall picture most of the irrigated ground is corn. We're dryland wheat and milo production and grass. We have 7 quarters of own and operator on the grass for landlords of another 4. That makes us pretty-much small potatoes any more around here.

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dpb fired this volley in news:jo1umm$281$ snipped-for-privacy@speranza.aioe.org:

And here we run about one per acre. I share a gate with a neighbor's 15 acres, and we run 23 head between the two fields.

I guess rain makes a diff... no?

LLoyd

Part of the problem is that the newsgroup is not a single site. It is a large number of news servers around the world, and particular postings from nearer servers will show up before those from more distant servers -- varying in particular in the matter of which server passes the articles to which. I used to run my own news server, and got quite accustomed to dealing with such variations. The news articles are displayed based on the article number assigned by *your* server, sequentially as the articles arrive and are processed. They then get sent on to other servers, which either accept them, or reject them because they already have a copy from another server. (They are identified as unique based on the contents of the "Message-ID: " header, which is usually allocated by the news server to which you posted it.

Anyway -- an article posted to your news server will show up "first" on it, even though others will show up first on servers closer to the point of origin.

You can see the path which the article took in the header "Path: " with the most recent server to handle it at the left-hand end of the line (which may well fold several times). Here is an example from the 1st of January of this year:

====================================================================== Path: news4.newsguy.com!extra.newsguy.com!npeersf02.iad.highwinds-media.com!npeer02.iad.high winds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!spln!extra.newsguy.com! newsp.newsguy.com!news6 ======================================================================

Server names are separated by '!' characters, and often the last entry will be something like "not-for-mail" because similar paths (called "bang paths" for the '!' character used as a delimiter) were once used for mail, but would end with a user name and not a system name.

So -- it is not that anyone is trying to give you a hard time. Rob is basing it on the order in which articles arrive at the news server which he uses. (BTW -- I understand that Google's news server (which they like to call "google groups" has a very long delay between posting and displaying an article on their server -- so it is possible that someone posting there will see one or more followups (replies) to what they posted before they see what they posted. (And sometimes they post several times because they don't see what they posted in a reasonable period. But -- what they posted does go out quickly to the rest of the world. :-)

I typically wind up not getting to reading usenet newsgroups until the evening, so I don't expect to be the first very often. It has to be something really uncommon. :-)

Good Luck, DoN.

On 5/4/2012 8:24 PM, Lloyd E. Sponenburgh wrote: ...

Just a little... :) Also makes a big difference that it's warm year-round down there, too. Grandparents on one side went to the TX valley back in the 30s and did the early citrus and truck farming down there while the other side stuck it out thru the Dirty-30s here.

We've been thru two years of severe drought up until February we caught a nice snow a rain that saved the winter wheat that had managed to hang on. We then got another 2" in late March/early April and it looked really good until about 10 days or so ago. We've been terribly hot for this early (95F today for example) and it's really fading fast. They've cut our chances w/ the next front over the weekend down to almost nothing and if so another week w/o good rain and it'll be done. :(

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