I need to move a Boxford AUD (underdrive with stand)
Mid Wales to Cheltenham.
Any suggestions as to who could do it for me, or should I consider
trying it on my own hiring a van with a tail-lift?
I could possibly borrow some skates and crow bars, however mid week
its just me!
Thought of an engine crane and trailer? That does, of course, assume
that you already have a tow bar on your car.
A Boxford isn't heavy and as long as you plan every stage, have lots
of decent strapping it shouldn't be a problem. Otherwise a tail lift
3.5 tonner or similar would be easy.
I have certainly considered the Engine Hoist option. Do not have one
at present. Not sure yet what the access to the macine is. I have used
shop type wheeled hoists but these have a good spread between the
supports. Engine hoists seem to be narrower, not sure if they will sit
around the base to be able to get a central lift. I do have some
slings and a 500kg lever chain puller. Could be useful for dragging to
a better position. I used to have some crowbars but they dissappeared!
An AUD weighs 610 lbs (276 kgs).
There are through holes in the cabinet just under the splash plate a
each end through which you can pass bars for for slinging.
It can be done with an engine crane (just done it). The bigger th
wheels on the crane , the better. While little wheels are fine o
smooth flooring, crossing concrete or tarred gravel becomes a problem
as do gaps between the ground and the trailer bed / hoist.
They are top heavy, so getting them onto skates without strong helper
is a problem.
For transport you need to ratchet them down to stop any swa
developing, or secure them to a strong sidewall.
And that 600 lbs is quite concentrated. If the floor of the van isn'
that clever, use a spreader board. (DAHIK)
And as I have just found, although in theory you can bolt them dow
with the centreline 13 inches from a wall, you need to get behind th
headstock if you want access to the mandrel and back drive
Moving it on your own assembled is not such a good idea, they are very
top heavy. My advice is to strip it into manageable bits.
Find some whitworth spanners, plus 3/16" 1/4" 5/16" hex keys.
Remove the topslide, tailstock, carriage and headstock (and
gearbox/leadscrew if fitted)
The headstock is a bugger to unbolt but with a couple of spanners with
differing offsets or one with a suitable 60 deg or so bend will clear
the bed. Don't be tempted to move it assembled single handedly as it
will all go pear shaped.
Unbolt the bed from the stand
Remove motor / countershaft from the base
Each bit is then, with a bit of aid from a few chunky wooden blocks or
a frame of 4x2's a single person lift/slide into the back of an estate
car/trailer/small van. You don't need a tail lift.
Bed and other components in first, stand on its back in last.
If you intend using pumped coolant in future you'll need to reseal the
bed to the stand with some mastic.
From experience of doing one quite recently the time to strip and load
is around an hour and a half.
Why not do it the way that the ancients did (and me and the lads do
whenever we are moving the Bridgeport/Harrison L6 or any of the rest
of the workshop 'bruisers'?
When you say 'stand' I presume you mean 'cabinet'... if so it will
have a solid'ish base rather than individual legs so get yourself a
length of scaffold pole (or similar) and cut it down into 30-36inch
lengths.. and roller it. Use your Crowbar and a length of wood to
lever the thing up... slide the first roller under then edge forward
until you get a second under it with the first about the half way
mark... then simply push, .....
It gets a bit tricky when it comes to getting up the little ramp of
the tail-lift but not that difficult to work out.
As written... we've moved some really heavy gear over the years with
nothing more than some 24inch lengths of 2x4 timber 3 or 4 rollers and
a crowbar.... just don't rush it and you'll be suprised at how easy it
Salford Van Hire are about 60 quid a day for a 3.5t Luton with tail
lift Sixt (used to be Kenning's) charge around 100 quid a day for the
A *dismantled* Boxford will easily fit in Ford Combo/VW Caddy costing
30-40 quid a day.
Thanks to everyone for their advice.
To bring the story to a near conclusion I must admit to telling a
The machine was in fact a Denford Viceroy on Ebay. I went to see the
unit today, bid on it tonight and won it with 2 seconds to spare.
Having seen the machine I will visit and break it down bit by bit,
hopefully I can then get it all home in my C5. The main problem is
getting it all past the tons of stuff stacked in the garage, (theirs
not mine) (though mine needs a good clearout).
The multiple visits will pay dividends with SWMBO as she gets days out
and a lunch somewhere!
If anyone on the group has a Viceroy I will need some info.
The Tailstock barrel clamp is missing, I need to make or buy a new
The machine came with 4 jaw, fixed and travelling steadies, faceplate,
catchplate, carbide tooling, plus a host of bits not advertised. I am
Thanks again for the info.