The response is inadequate and unfit for purpose. It fails to address
the points raised and instead provides an unwanted explanation of
Part P which does not justify its imposition.
I suggest you all complain to your MPs and demand a proper response.
Agreed, a complete whitewash of a response. However what I found interesting
was the content of the second paragraph of the response section; unless I
misunderstood it, it seems minor work permitted includes adding sockets
except for those in 'restricted areas' such as bathrooms.
Hmm Man in big house, he talk lies...
"Part P competent person schemes are similar to the CORGI gas safety scheme
which has been very successful in significantly reducing the number of gas
The Gas Safety (Installation and Use) Regulations 1998 specifically DO NOT
require registration or approval of those who are not employed or self
employed in gas installation work. They DO require that all persons doing gas
installation work be competent. But then so have the Wiring Regs aka BS 7671
required people doing electrical work to be competent ever since they were
I too found that interesting, and unambiguous; The answer says adding
sockets and lighting to an existing circuit is permitted, except in the high
risk areas. Equally maintenance is permitted.
So, I am allowed to add a new lamp or socket in my garage or dining room
(existing circuit, not a bathroom, kitchen or outdoors). Equally, I am
permitted to maintain my outdoor lights, which might include replacement due
to corrosion or other effects of being out in the weather.
If I carried out such works, and then sold the house in a few years, the
surveyor would find a mix of old (pre regs) and new wiring. But the new
would be permitted works. But, I bet the surveyor will insist on seeing the
certificate of compliance....
Sounds like a mess (again).
Adding sockets and lights is permitted except in a kitchen, bathroom
and outdoors. Work in a shed or workshop is permitted but a cable
running outdoors to feed it would not.
Yes you can maintain your outside lights or bathroom lights provided
they are replaced on a like for like basis.
Anything involving adding new circuits / rewiring, 12 volt lights that
are not pre wired and CE marked, and adding stuff in a kitchen
bathroom or garden are not permitted
The certificate of compliance is just that, that the work complies
with building regs, not just Part P but that holes in joists are made
in the right place etc. Another certificate must be issued first, and
that's the electrical installation certificate or minor works
certificate, they are legal document and proves compliance with
BS7671. These certificates have been required for many years and MUST
be issued after any installation work has taken place, even changing a
light fitting. As these are a legal document that can be used as
evidence against you, should something go wrong. It therefore stands
to reason that you should be suitably competant and own the correct
test gear in order to complete one. If you are not competant to fill
in the certificate it is my opinion that you are also not competant to
do electrical work unsupervised. So, the surveyor won't insist on
seeing the certificate of compliance but will insist on seeing the
minor works certificate that should have been filled out.
IMHO The whole point of part P dispite what the government tells you
is 2 fold, 1 to make all electrical work traceable so someone's
insurance company can sue someone else when something goes wrong, and
secondly to make the Bosses of the NICEIC very rich. With no mention
of reducing deaths!
Ah, but a competent person (under the Wiring Regs) can test and certify an
installation's compliance (or otherwise) with the Wiring Regs.
Indeed. If one wishes to create a seller's pack when selling the house, then a
wiring inspection would be called for anyway.
Compliance with the Part P tax isn't needed for the above...
It's at least partly so that people who wire up their attics (ar get a Part
P electrician to do it for them - he has to tell the council) have to tell
their local councils - who can then increase the rates.
Or at least that was the original purpose - but an MP's daughter died from a
faulty appliance while the regs were being discussed, so they tagged on some
'Course she died from a faulty appliance, not faulty mains wiring ...