Anyone got any suggestions on best (cheapest) supplier for oxygen and
Just got my bill for the next five years from BOC, don't think I can justify
the cost for the amount I use.
It's only used for odd jobs on cars, boats and models nothing major.
Don't think it matters who, I'm certain they have a cartel operating.
I can understand the gas prices being different but not rental prices.
Except acetylene which is special all the argon, argon mixes, oxy, CO2
etc all use the same bottle but their prices vary on rental between
Last time I checked I'm paying £61 per year for an Oxo bottle and £134
a year for argon, that's just rental, less VAT for the same type of
I currently pay Air products just under £400 per year for rental, gas
prices are extra
I haven't found the answer myself yet but I hope someone comes up with
a good source for you; I dumped my BOC contract a couple of years back
due to the increasing cost but would like to regain the flexibility of
a gas system. I doubt Air Products is much cheaper these days as I
have kept a bottle from them for the MIG but that is also costing me
nearly =A3100 a year so I'll have to give that some more thought. I had
considered going to TIG as a closer match to gas but the machines are
so expensive if you want an AC/DC one. Pity as a decent welder is
really useful for those odd occaisions when you need it. Perhaps I
need to consider a brazing hearth and Propane bottle as a cheaper
alternative with an Arc welder for the heavier stuff. Not much use on
Don't know how they do it in the UK, but here we do have three models:
* fully owned bottles. You just pay the fill and have to wait until your
bottle returns and have to pay for inspection every 10 years or so. And you
pay extra handling charges to get your bottle back.
* completely rental. No own bottle. Just go there and take a full one. Pay
for the bottle every month, first month is free.
* Semi-owned bottle. You go there, give them your bottle (or buy one) and
will never see it again. :-) They care for everything (inspection), you can
exchange empty bottles and don't have to wait. Costs a bit more than rental
bottles but is the cheapest model if you consume just a bit.
I guess you have similar choices.
If you are anywhere near the channel pop across on the ferry to
Calais. At Brico Depot you can buy a 2300l oxygen bottle for 399 euro
and 1600l acetylene for 349 euro. Exchange refils cost 49 and 64 euro
respectively. No anual charge.
On or around Fri, 16 Nov 2007 12:46:01 -0000, "Brian" enlightened us
air products are cheaper and less hassle-ridden than BOC.
I have MD30 bottles (I think) which might now be X30S as they keep changing
'em. medium-sized ones, anyway.
BOC is a Linde sister, AFAIK.
When I had Linde gas, I also had my own bottles*). I also never saw them
again, but that was the mess my dealer made. :-) Anyhow, I never went home
without a full bottle.
I now have Widmann gas, but they only service in Germany.
I also had Linde rental bottles before, but they made me poor.
Some years ago I purchased a bottle of argon from Nuneaton Welding
Supplies; at that time they would refill it for me, but now they say
they are not allowed to refill at all. I'm currently renting from
Energas, 'cos they were the cheapest I could find, but resent paying £58
a year when I've got a perfectly good bottle lying empty; especially
when a full bottle lasts a lot longer than a year.
Do you think Brico Depot would fill my argon bottle - its not steel, its
some sort of aluminium alloy?
Brico depot are a bit like our B&Q depot stores. They don't refill the
bottles them selves but pass them through as agent. I would be very
surprised if they will exchange another style of bottle. Also - just
checked my Brico depot catalogue dated April 2007. They only show Oxygen
and Acetylene gasses not Argon in refillable cylinders.
Might still be better than hiring from BOC. Eurotunnel seem to be ambivalent
about what they'll allow. You can't take flammable materials but you can take
dangerous goods if you tell them in advance...
I gave up on my BOC Argoshield light bottle after realising that I was paying
a pound a week for something that I used two or three times a year. I bought a
couple of refilled pub CO2 bottles for £10 each on a "bring them back when you
need some more" contract.
I'm not sure what you use your Oxy Acet for, but some years ago I
decided to reduce costs and now use Oxy Propane, which means no Oxy
rental and much cheaper gas.
I am using it with the Acet. tips, which is not ideal because it takes a
lot more trouble to adjust the flame, and is more prone to blowing out
in wind, but I don't use it enough to warrant the expense of buying the
correct Oxy Propane gear.
I would think that with a little research I could probably improve
things with a set of Pin Drills, but as I said I get by with what I've got.
I've cut 25mm thick steel without any problems, and thin sheet (2mm
without excessive warping.
Here (Down-Under) the majority of plumbers use propane, and even some
I'm a bit surprised that no-one has mentioned it on this thread.
No, basically I gave up on Argon mix and went over to CO2. I don't do enough
stainless to justify the cost of Argon. CO2 bottles aren't rated for the
pressure that Argon would require. The advantage, in my case, is that the
bottles are surplus brewer's bottles sold with gas for domestic/party use and
there is no rental on the bottles.