: comp.ai.philosophy wrote:
: >Lester Zick wrote:
: >> >"Conciousness" is ill-defined and subjective.
: >> >Besides, the goal is "intelligence", not
: >> >conciousness.
: >> So consciousness is subjective but intelligence is not?
: >Intelligence can be clearly and concisely defined,
: >consciousness can not.
: Whether intelligence can be clearly and concisely defined has no
: bearing on whether it is subjective. I think what you mean to say is
: definitions of consciousness are subjective. But I don't see anything
: to indicate your definition of intelligence is not subjective.
: > Intelligence: The ability to formulate an effective
: > initial response to a novel situation.
: So what makes this definition not subjective? Consciousness could
: undoubtedly be defined in comparable terms.
We, as humans decide. A reasonable response can be defined as one that a
panel of judges decide is reasonable. There is some culture clash with this
method obviously, but it can be decided upon.
: >Consciousness is an internal trait, intelligence is
: >an external, observable trait. If a system behaves
: >intelligently (solves problems it hasn't seen before),
: >then it is intelligent.
: >Intelligence can be measured. Human level AI will
: >be achieved when a computer can consistently pass
: >the Turing Test against a skilled interrogator.
: >Intelligence can exist in degrees. A dog is more
: >intelligent than a fish, but less than a monkey.
: >But does a dog, monkey or fish have consciousness?
: >Different people and different cultures disagree.
: >It is like asking if they have a soul.
: Well it may be like asking if they have a soul but I don't see that
: intelligence is any less subjective as a mechanism. You're arguing
: intelligence can be measured but measures of intelligence are every
: bit as subjective as people want to make them.
I disagree. Consciousness is purely subjective. Intelligence is a display
of rationality. Consciousness is the realization of self and of the
spontaneous decision that the self is important. In that manner, I believe
that dogs, cats, monkeys, squirrels, etc. are conscious beings, they display
fear, joy, etc. (in as much as I can tell). This will be a challenge to
determine in a machine. In short, I believe that both intelligence and
consciousness can be defined and measured.
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