A point (about rockets) to ponder

Oct 05, 2003 45 Replies

The demise of Vaughn Brothers Rocketry got me to thinking. How is it that a company with such a complete line of high quality kits and ground equipment could pass away without so much as a ripple on RMR?



We argue about all kinds of inane things. We flame ourselves to death and roast certain regulars on a daily (if not hourly) basis but VB just slips away in the night without so much as a fare-thee-well. I am amazed to say the least. Am I the only one who ever built their kits? Am I the only one with a Quadcon controller? For those of you who never got the chance to use one let me tell you what you missed. Four independent lanes that could be safed or set hot in any combination. Self-contained power system or external hook ups for your car, nicad pack, gel cell whatever. All metal case, toggle switches and great graphics. There was an up-grade possible that used a relay and telephone cable to put the power out at the pad if you wanted. In short, it was really great equipment that was built to last. Mine is 8 years young and still very strong. My VB HP launch pad is simplicity and functionality combined with REAL steel. The only thing that's going to outlast this bad boy is my Rocket Vision pad and it cost twice as much.



Vaughn Brothers kits were an exercise in straight foreword engineering. Ask anyone who ever built and flew a VB Extreme and he/she will tell you that there simply was no other minimum diameter rocket that was so easy to build, so sturdy and so high performance. What made it even better was that it came in so many power varieties; 24mm, 29mm, 38mm and 54mm. Each kit in all of the power variations came with payload bays and the wiring harness needed for an altimeter deployment system if desired. The recovery systems were all sewn ripstop. Shoot, even the basic materials were such that obtaining a beautiful finish took a minimum of time.



Some of their kits were just plain cool. I built three of the Lil' Wildthings. Imagine a two foot tall rocket with an 18mm core motor surrounded by eight 13mm boosters and guided by 6 G10 fins. This was and is a very fun rocket to fly that permits a number of different flight configurations. The Spudnik was just way to much fun as well. A Styrofoam ball formed the rocket with four dowels for guidance. Simplicity and elegance. Geez, it really looked like an 1950s satellite and it would stay within a school yard even on a windy day with an AT 18mm D or E motor!



Blobo, BoB ( Ballistic or Bust ), these were great rockets too. Was I the only one building these? Say it ain't so gang!


I've got a Javelin in my fleet, and an Extreme 24 in the bag waiting for me to get around to building it.

-dave w

got the chance >to use one let me tell you what you missed. Four independent lanes that could be

No you are not. Our club has been using one for five years now and it works as great as the day I bought it!! I also agree with you on the passing of Vaughn Brothers. This BATF stuff is taking its toll.

-- Les Kramer #70965 L-2 / Club President Northern Ohio's TRI-CITY SKY BUSTERS ROCKETRY CLUB, NAR #535 Club website:

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I still have and fly occasionally a Stretch Blobbo, and had a VB Extreme 24. The kits were very durable and fun to build and fly!

Dave

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A sterling testimonial if I ever heard one.

After reading your post, I too have to wonder how this all happened as well. I also find it way too scary that a company with that kind of quality could indeed, just fade away into the night, without so much as a good-bye.

Waaaaay too scary!

Randy

Everyone is so busy sniping they don't have time to order from VB.

Let this be NOTICE to everyone. If you had your eye on a LOC kit, buy it RIGHT NOW.

Yep :)

Jerry

There's your explanation. One time purchase needed for a lifetime of fun. Estes plastic crap is looking pretty good now eh?

Jerry

We contacted VB rocketry over a year ago about carrying their kits. The first time we contacted them, the gentlemen we spoke with said "my wife handles the business now." ...and were assured that they would send out a packet to us, which never arrived.

A second call placed 2 months after, they said that they moved and that they did not have a current stock of parts to be shipping kits and weren't sure if they were taking on more dealers.

Needless to say, we never heard from them again.

I suspect that life plans/ambitions may have changed for the owners. This was takin place long before the Homeland Insanity Act ever hit.

I hope they get back into the loop, but who knows. You would think that they would atleast sell the rights to someone to produce their kits.

-Boomer

My Buzzard is my favorite sport boost glider, and I've used it in a pinch to get a qualified flight in competition. I bought it when the local club put in a group order to an online retailer that carried their kits. I had my eye on a couple of other kits, but IIRC, the minimum shipping charges were just high enough that I kept putting off ordering, hoping to add them to another group order.

That makes me think -- who has the best selection of kits from various small kitmakers that aren't available in hobby shops?

Last year we had a couple of kits that were missing a fin. I contacted one of the brothers and got the whole thing fixed. I was told at the time that they had moved their production to IIRC, Hemet CA which is a hop-skip and a jump from Saugus where I live. I believe also, that I was told there was a health issue with one of the family members and that this was having a negative effect on kit production. Now I could have all of this wrong and if anyone knows better please feel free to se me straight. I emailed Mike Vaughn about the demise of VB but have not heard back yet. I lost jerry's addy a long long time ago so I can't ask him. Kevin of Discount Rocketry indicated that he still had a few kits so if any of you are interested, I'd jump on them; they are well worth the money.

Now Jerry, what's this about LOC? Their Lil' Nuke is one fine rocket and if one buys them in bulk from Rocketmotion in Bakersfield (a shameless plug for a great company) the price is very nice indeed. These too are very sturdy and as they use a streamer for recovery, tend to be highly recoverable. I hope these guys (LOC) aren't fading into the western sun as well.

I don't think Jerry was implying anything particular about LOC or any other vendor out there. Perhaps what he should have said is "Support your favorite small vendors during these tough times so they don't disappear too." At least that's how I read his comments.

It was sad to see only 2 rocket vendors at the Rosemont hobby show last month.

Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD!

I hope you're right. Jerry? As to the dearth of vendors that is sad. A friend and I are working toward getting the local parks board to permit an area for 1/4A-E launches here in Santa Clarita. So far my buddy has done most of the leg work but I'm going to see if I can use my connections with the local school districts and make a presentation to the city council. This is a round about way to say that if we can increase the user base, vendors will stand a better chance.

I think this has more to do with the two-year motor shortage and bad economy. In any case, I too miss VBR. Most of my camera rocket fleet depends on VB 1.8" airframe and coupler tubes.

There are a lot of competitors and few buyers. There are also a lot of do-it-yourself flyers too. Put it all together and you get small volume. One does it for the love of what they are doing or as a write off or as a minimum income business. The only people making any money are the motor vendors because most people buy manufactured rather than make their own. What is at work is "pure capitalism", nothing more. A couple of companies fizzed into oblivion this year. They come, they go, they come such is the workings of capitalism.

Arnold

LOC will be in Vegas this week. So will Estes and Quest.

Anyone else? Booths still available....

See you there.

Is this a different size than the Aerotech 1.8" tube? Does any one else make matching stuff?

Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD!

No it doesn't. It has to with irrational policies of TRA and NAR over a long period of time to ask people get unwanted and unn eeded explosives lisences for non-explosives or exempt explosives.

I watched it happen LONG before 9/11 or the errortech fire. Or HSA or NPRM so RTFM

Jerry

Hmmm. Yes you should use Loc Lil' Nukes in rocket classes instead of Estes or Pratt. Bigger is better!

Jerry

Yep.

I selected LOC because they are the most critical vendor right now to the survival of HPR.

Everyone else is expendable, especially errortech.

Jerry

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