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If you only reimburse for the material cost of the propellant, i.e. no profit, that would be one thing, making a profit, means you're in commerce. You can't have it both ways.
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Not totally true Grave.
I don't care if the propellent maker is commercial or amateur.
If I buy propellent from a comercial maker and he makes a profit, then he needs to be classed as a motor maker, not AR.
HOWEVER, that propellent put in my special motor, I am still doing AR.
lets not lose site of that, and if you want to make jerry rigging rules, don't screw the pooch at the same time.
Now, lets go take on the day.
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almax wrote:

Yes, You are doing AR, jerry would still be commercially manufacturing and selling propellant without proper local, state, federal and DOT permits.

I'm not "making any rules", the laws already exist.

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I thought that was the central purpose of the regulations, the club rules and all arbitrary decisions?
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SELLS ? if he's selling motors, they are hard to find. Yes, I have found a few, very few. Wish I could find more. Otherwise the motor section on the website is vaporware.
PROFIT ? if Jerry was really making a Profit, I don't think he'd be rmr posting so much, he'd be enjoying making a profit and making motors and the fine life that goes with that.
Heck I saw it this morning on this Sunday infomercial.
"guy driving a power boat @ 30 knots with boat babe at his side, the spray of fresh water in the air"
In the next 30 mins, I'll tell you how I made my fortune in the Hi Power Rocket Motor business. Now that I'm rich, I want you also to be able to enjoy the fine life. For only 5 easy payments of $49.95,..............
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David Weinshenker wrote:

Yea, but are you saying the "experimental rockets unlimited" code trumps DOT shipping commerce rules??
Fred
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WallaceF wrote:

Well, in the case at hand, there wasn't any "shipment in commerce" going on - the motor we flew was brought out to the site by Jerry himself (so I doubt there are any grounds for accusations that anyone tried to "conceal the hazardous nature of a shipment from a commercial carrier" or anything like that) and looked very "amateur" besides... I don't mean that in any negative way, simply that it didn't look like a "production" item: the casing was a very solid, well-made unit, but was clearly something that had been made up on a "one-off" basis - I don't even think it was something that ever saw production as a "US Rockets"-branded motor type with a "letter" rating. (I suspect it was one that Jerry kept around to do static tests with, but you'd have to ask him.)
The motors in the recent large flight at MDRA appeared to be more "commercial" than that - the casings were all color-anodized and everything! :)
-dave w
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David Weinshenker wrote:

jerry's delivery constitutes "shipment in commerce". It was delivered to you, was it not? If you paid more than the cost of raw materials, it is for profit, hence commerce.
It doesn't matter that jerry's stuff is and looks crappy, looks is not the criteria for determining commercial status.
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David Weinshenker wrote:

Point taken on the AR motor he produced for your project, as long as he was part of the AR project and not envolved as a comercial "for profit" provider/member. However, 200lb of comercial class 1 hazmat, shipped as "model airplane parts", totally different story; dumb move..

I guess when I make ex for my AT, Kosdon, and Loki cases, it must be commercial, according to your analogy; what a crock. As for as your insinuation, read below, again.
----------------------------------------------------------------------- All EX/amateur motors. The motor configuration rocked. The video sound doesn't begin to compare to the sound on the field; one P an two O motors at the same time, followed by two N motors at first movement. BTW, Bozo Motor Works, (BMW), is a joke description for a group of folks who regularly get together and make motors at MDRA. It is not a company, does not sell motors, or commerce in propellant or motors. ------------------------------------------------------------------------
BTW, the nice color anodized motor casings were provided by LOKI Research, www.lokiresearch.com. Any other technical questions?
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<< Good thing you didn't use the 229mm motor! >>
Has that motor been built? Has it been flown? When and where? Do you even have any photos of it?
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<< the motor Jerry brought out to Mojave for my rocket wasn't vaporware. >>
Was it 9"x14', with 750 pounds of propellent? No? Then it has nothing to do with Jerry's claim of making such a motor.
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Tape the rocket to the top of the motor :)

Hey that's not vaproware! What is it doing on rmr?

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Probably closer to 99.95%.
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<< how many would i have to cluster to match the thrust profiles in my 1:1 full scale little joe (primate payload included) >>
Heheh! A cluster of S50,000 motors would be too cool for words!
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That's what I thought too, then I sat down till the feeling passed.
Wedge Oldham http://BlackBrant2.com

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Bill on delivery :) Pay like FOREVER.
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snipped-for-privacy@aol.com (CRogers168) wrote:

This is typical of you to "change the subject" to a motor from a decade ago.
But hey! It was yet another failure of Powertech, wasn't it?
But since you raised damaged equipment, I seem to recall you left one of my Centuri Sky tracks near a HIGHWAY instead of the location we had placed it several times before. It got stolen. You have not yet replaced it nor even returned the one that was not stolen. Another set of trackers as well, those made for me CUSTOM by Hank Asciutto.
Report the status of all of those trackers. Admit they are my property wherever you report they are. I do not want to prevent their use in any way but I do claim continued ownership and if they are lost or damaged, yes I would like them replaced. And still used as often as possible.
You are a hypocrite.

What is the core shape and propellant burning rate? Same question BTW. I want to calculate it myself!

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Yes.
State with completeness each and every position, statement, policy or rule you have promulgated, been administer of as President or a BOD member or otherwise, with regard to ATF permits or compliance or law.
Just one.
Jerry
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snipped-for-privacy@aol.com (RayDunakin) wrote:

9"x144"
Customer confidential. No truly big motors are on my websites.
But the "low pressure" 6"x120" motor static test is on the promo video :)
Jerry
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