BALLS pictures

Given those links clearly show commercial sales and that Loki Research is not a TRA approved manufacturer, this is yet more evidence of TRA Calvinball on rules.

BTW Nice flights!

sigh....Loki sells motor hardware....not loads.

Mike Fisher

Every stinking thread on RMR gets ruined because of Jerry's personal agenda.

No wonder you get blackballed Jerry. You're a pain in the ass.

Steve

No wonder I am a pain in the ass, I am blackballed.

So you are saying Neil made the 152mm load for the Cow?

Thanks Jerry!

By the way, the commercial sales were only hardware. I've never sold any propellant. I did not make the load for The Cow Rocket. It's ok to be a watch dog, but please check your facts before throwing out the accusations. Not doing so makes you look simple.

-Jeff Taylor

Your website seems to imply otherwise on first glance.

I see a lot of rocket liftoff images on the homepage and no hardware images.

Jerry

I guess I'll have to accept criticism of my web site in lieu of an apology for your false accusation ('cause I know that isn't coming).

- JT

Actually Jerry you screwed up here and you owe Jeff an apology.

Thanks again for ruining yet another decent thread on RMR.

Steve

Loki sells the hardware lot the loads. If you would have looked a little closer before you started the so-Jerry-typical-old-hat TRA flamejob, you might have caught on to that.

-- Joe Michel NAR 82797 L1

His web page shows his products being used. It is VERY clear that he does not sell reloads. Click on 'products' produces a list of what he sells. You made a grossly inaccurate statement. Be a man and admit you were wrong.

A forced apology is not a valuable apology.

The record was corrected by the principal and that should suffice.

There are plenty of examples of TRA-EX rule "jerry-mandering" without relying on the one I attempted to raise (apparantly in error).

There still has not been discussion of where the loads DID come from that are on the page at issue. For example are they ALL TRA members with NO commercial activities including loaning propellant or renting it for money?

Obviously that would not be illegal or even unadviseable, only against TRA-EX calvinball rules.

Jerry

No - if you got blackballed for being a pain in the ass, there would be a lot more people than Jerry bitching.

Phil Ste>>

Phil Stein

Check the archives. There were but they got tired of inaction and left. THEY voted with their feet.

Also when I was originally blackballed circa 1991-2 the internet was far from popular. IIRC there effectively was not even a web yet.

Furthermore the very logic of your statement does not pass the smell test.

And if you use Tripoli's own logic against them, where there's smoke there's fire. Except against Tripoli there are records and proof.

Just Jerry

Pain in the ass at TRA is not defined as rude or annoying per se. It usually involves being witness to a crime or tort the result of which is you are discredited with a monologue in the propoganda rag of TRA and removed so you are allowed to be removed from meetings where you might be so bold as to testify to your witness accounts of the crimes or torts.

Cato was removed and resigned simultasneously as the letters crossed in the mail !!!

I was removed for approximately what I witnessed the TRA President himself doing (TRA justice I presume). And he was also the prime "prosecutor" on the tribunal to review my reinstatement request 10 years later after my 3 year removal had long since ended. He of course declined it. Conflicts of interest are a GOAL of TRA.

The removed people became rude YEARS after they were removed as a means to force attention on the problem. As we now all know no amount of attention brought on problems at TRA results in either addressing them or of course solving them.

Vosecek was Treasurer (kiss of death).

Cato was the first accurate TMT chair AND personally got TRA listed as an AHJ in NFPA-1127, etc. (kiss of death).

Founding Prefect Irvine was the largest launch host and member generator (kiss of death).

Kaplow wasan early Prefect and rules nazi (kiss of death).

McLaughlin was a Prefect and actual RPIA by lawyerly informing TRA BOD of all the laws and rules they were breaking with cites and evidence (kiss of death).

Price was Kelly's neighbor and friend and witnessed skimming and other alleged crimes and torts first hand (kiss of death).

One guy was removed for pipe bombs at Black Rock or something (the only valid removal) He probably has been reinstated :)

Jerry

Some of those pictures are from MDRA launches. They have their own insurance, allow certified and EX at the same launch, and don't belong to TRA or NAR. Their rules may very well allow an individual to make a motor for someone else.

Doesn't Tripoli EX allow use of an EX motor if the person who made it is part of the team launching the rocket? The person who made the motor does not need to be the person who made the rocket.

Brian Elfert

No, but I think the person who made the motor has to be a TRA member. That way, as long as TRA refuses to renew Jerry's membership, they can keep everyone from using "Jerry motors" at "EX" launches. :)

-dave w

Jerry,

You fail to realize that I live in the present. 10 years ago I was to busy inventing the internet to be playing with rockets. Also things at TRA have changed a little since your pal Brucie is no longer king.

Phil Stein

Phil Stein

And the propellant? :)