Justice Department Inspector General Report on BATFE iimplementation of Safe Explosives Act

Oh my, this is juicy stuff. I have just barely started reading it and I find:

"During a June 2002 congressional hearing, the Acting ATF Director testified that a library of explosives information is essential to ATF's ability to prevent and solve bombings and to trace explosive materials used in terrorist activities and other violent crimes by matching residue with the manufacturers samples."

"However, during our review, we determined that the ATF had only used its authority to collect explosives samples one time to collect a model rocket motor. The ATF had not collected any samples of ammonium nitrate. Moreover, the National Laboratory had only recently developed a systematic approach for collecting, analyzing, and cataloging samples of explosives."

This just reinforces the theory that the BATFE misused their new power in order to collect "samples" for something other than the purposes provided for in law.

And for those of us too lazy to search through it ourselves, the relevant portions are???

David Erbas-White

David Schultz wrote:

Could you post a few excerpts and an executive summary?

Please?

Jerry

I have to admit that IS really good.

It declares those samples "model rocket motors".

Maybe somebody should sue them or something.

I would cheerfully submit samples to NL of APCP to determine if they are explosives or not.

Jerry

very interesting!! thanks for posting.

I find it both amusing and interesting that the Dept of Justice IG uses model rocket motors as an example of how bad the BATFE is. I don't feel any safer now, if this is an example on how our federal law enforcement agencies are managed..or in this case..not managed.. Maybe now the dogs will be called off on the model rocket motors....nawwwww....

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more likely, BATFE will just follow the recommendations in the report and become the all new, improved, sensitive new-age agency.

(unlike NASA with CAIB)

...wake me, I'm dreaming!

Yup. They ATTEMPTED to use the samples, not to show that APCP is explosive, but that HPR should be regulated by the DOT instead of the BATFE.

Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD!

Say, I had a thought a few weeks ago when the latest "cancer causing rocket propellant found in water" scare hit the streets. Of course we all know that it isn't rocket propellant (APCP) at all but AP itself that *IS* an environmental issue. It seems that surplus AP left over from government contracts is finding its way into the water supply.

HPR is the SOLUTION to this environmental issue. Instead of stockpiling or scrapping the left over AP, sell it to one of the HPR manufacturers to make propellant for us. Every time we launch an APCP rocket, we are PREVENTING the polution of someones water supply.

Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD!

Not true. It is "perchlorates", the tiniest source of which is ammunium perchlorate.

Potassium perchlorate is used in road flares and these are used every day in large quantities (mostly by public officials!) and the residue (both burned and unburned), is regularly washed into the water table.

There is evidence of a natural atmospheric source of perchlorate. If true, this would no doubt make the EPA very sad to know that they can't tag someone with a cleanup:

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Hi Brad,

the EPA read your post and turned it into a gentle 404

Yeah, I saw that it got cut off even though it looked OK when I posted it. You'll have that.

This reminds me of the EPA's mercury fixation. Never mind that mercury is a natural component of the Earth's crust - that's what you get for living on a pile of supernova refuse. What will they target next? Potassium 40?

Brad Hitch

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Wow, they are really fixated on us. They don't bother with materials used to make real bombs in real criminal acts which have killed hundreds. Yet they have plenty of time to demand "samples" of model rocket motors and harass a handful of innocent hobbyists.

I told you so.