Kalipornia is going to the dogs.

For the rest of you on rmr who are not in Kalifornia, what added insult to injury is that Davis' office issued press releases about signing the bill to all the Spanish-language media, but not to the English-language media...

Does the rest of the country still wonder about why we're having a recall?

David Erbas-White

No, we in Alabama just want to get in on it. We don't have that option available right now. ; (

Randy

I don't there's a checkbox that says: I'm a illegal alien on the drivers license application..... shockie B)

Yes except that the law specifically forbids handing over any such information to the federal immigration authorities. LA PD policy is similar. Officers are never under any circumstances to inquire into one's legal residency nor are they permitted to hand prisoners over to the INS unless the INS first requests that they do so.

Welcome to the PRK. Now it is clearer why our recall vote not only happened, but will likely succeed? Now it is clear why a total outsider, an actor no less, is the front running candidate?

Based on what you have seen lately with PRK, ATF and others it is a wonder our governments get anything done at all. I guess having a huge abundance of our money to cover up their incompetence helps alot.

These folks are the ones education our children BTW.

Jerry

And for some strange reason, other states/school systems jump on their bandwagon and implement new teaching strategies and philosophies that come from the PRK. Of course, by the time it's in full swing here, Kalipornia has already realized the new stuff is a bunch of crap and has dropped it for some other hairbrained scheme...while we are forced keep plugging along with it. :(

tim

I note that the Feds are now calling for the same "standards-based" scheme (in which the "good school" is _defined_ as the ones whose students know the right answers on the Offical Tests) that has served California so badly for so many years.

(It doesn't matter what the kids are learnung - if the Test Scores are not up to spec, the government is mandated to put the school in various sorts of trouble. The result is administrative pressure on the teachers to "teach the test" above all else.)

-dave w

I have seen this bureaucratic polloution from California all over the place. In Australia, Ohio, Missouri, Virginia. It is a sick sad world that "leaders" are so myopic that they cannot think for themselves to solve local problems so they import badly invisioned solutions from other places that have proven counterproductive.

Last I checked we are spending more than ever for "education" in CA and terst scores are lower, behavior is far worse, schools are acting as surrogate police and actually HELPING to fill the jails.

In Ca we have a 4 tier education system.

Private schools with about a 80% average graduation to college rate.

Public schools with about a 35% grad to college rate and a 30% dropout rate. Plus about 5% go to jail FROM high school.

Public continuation schools with about a 5% grad to college rate, a 30% dropout rate and about a 20% go to jail FROM high school.

Juvinile Hall (juvie). About a 15% GED rate, a less than 1% grad to college rate, and about a 60% recevitism rate. College for illegal college graduation rate: 100%.

And nobody is willing to change it.

ESPECIALLY the most Liberal of Democrats, the unions and the prison guard union, one of the most powerful in any state.

Jerry

Several years legal residence, pass a writen/oral test, swear an oath. Still, there are those who think it should be handed out like welfare. Or with welfare.

Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD!

"Reece Talley" wrote in news:TOd6b.824$ snipped-for-privacy@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net:

Without secure borders,you really do not have a country. There's also a Mexican group called MEChA that calls for the return of 'Aztlan'(entire Southwest US) to Mexico,by way of illegal immigration. Cruz Bustamante was a member of this group,but the media has been very quiet on this,and he refuses to repudiate his earlier support for MEChA.

the notorious t-e-d wrote in news:3f59702d$0$42057$ snipped-for-privacy@newsreader.visi.com:

Actually,Comrade Klinton made it easier.Dropped some requirements,relaxed the medical part,too.

Sounds like it hasn't changed at all. Maybe I'm naive but can anyone answer me why illegal immigrants are not becoming citizens? Hell, I did it, but then again I was way young when I moved here.

Ted Novak TRA#5512

You left out the growing number of "home schooling" that is taking place. These kids seem to be the ones who are winning the spelling bees, geography contests, etc.

David Erbas-White

For one, most of the immigrants around here are Mexicans, not asians or europeans or east europeans. They are not American citizen wannabees. They are proud Mwxican citizens coming here to work, receive social services, pay on average $1400 per year in taxes, and send all the money back home. They live in communes or group homes such that it is common to see 8 males inhabiting a single 3 bedroon home.

They purchase travel from here after they buy sufficient documents to go back and forth without question.

These are jetset aliens.

The ones who have become citizens complain how difficult each stage of the process is and how bureaucratic every element of paperwork is. It's the government, right?

Ask yourself this. If people regularly pay $5000 to $10000 just to be smuggled IN to the USA, what are they getting or doing once they get here? Furthermore if a government bureaucracy is doing such a poor job of processing citizenship requests the government itself has already approved, how about they let ME process those aplications of the folks willing to pay $5000-$10000 to speed it up from 7 years to one.

Jerry

Hell, I did

It has worked.

The media here was not quiet about it. First they assailed him on the basis of the actual positions of the group, then the spinmeisters got into it and said hey, he just joined a club, right of passage, etc.

Nevermind he espouses and espoused the specific tennets then and at many times between then and now. The Assistant Governor does not do much. So one of the few things he did do for the past couple of years was support this group he now distances himself from and whose tennets have not changed.

Overthrow of the government of the United States by unconventional means.

Jerry

Home school is a lone ranger version of private school. And you KNOW how I feel about lone rangers.

Jerry

Jerry Irvine wrote in news:01rocket- snipped-for-privacy@news.verizon.net:

Personally,I'd cut immigration to almost nil. There's a limit on how many people of the world we can absorb in the US. We can't and shouldn't take everyone who wants to come here,regardless of what troubles their home country is in.

I don't think ILLEGAL immagrants CAN become citizens. You've got to be here legally for a certain number of years in order to do so. But there's no requirement to do so if you've been here that long. Plenty f folks come here, stay here, live the rest of their lives here, but remain citizens of their home countries. Nothing wrong with that. Just don't try to run our country while you're here...

Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD!

The point is legal or not, you are entitled to some state and county benefits regardless. (emergency medical, food stamps, prenatal care, etc.)

What just changed this week is one can also get a state ID card, a drivers license, a state mandated liability insurance policy (which essentially no illegals bothered with) and while driving $500 cars which are plentiful in CA.

On the one hand it sets an interesting and totally indefensible precident. On the other hand it does solve a practical problem. Some percentage more illegal aliens will, in theory, now buy auto insurance.

Jerry