I notice that the DOT exemption E-10996
address as Las Vegas, NV. It also identifies AMW/CPT as Daytona
Obviously, these are incorrect addresses and, according to TRA/NAR
interpretation (based on the treatment of Jerry) they are not valid
for use in shipping/certifying motors.
So, when are their motors going to be de-certified?
What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
Have you contacted Aerotech directly and asked for a copy of their DOT
paperwork? Have you called the DOT to see if what is on the website is
really the latest paperwork they have?
Goverment certainly is not the swiftest when it comes to updating
paperwork and such. The ATF web site still has documents that list the
old requirements for getting an explosives permit.
If you were paying attention you would have noticed that Aerotech
operated out of two locations in Las Vegas. Have they closed the
location that didn't burn down? Is Aerotech Inc. still incorporated in
Just because their motor manufacturing is in Utah does not mean that the
corporation has moved.
How do you interpret this as willing to destroy my own hobby? Because
I am asking for consistancy?
I didn't pick up the phone and call BATFE. Unlike some organizations
might be willing to call DOT of BATFE. I don't hear you complaining
about their actions.
Yes. I was told by an Aerotech person in email.
There may be two now orthey may have changed "residencies". I have not
checked. But old Aerotech certainly exists if for no other reason than
to hold the assets, sue Clark county and to deal with the pending post
It's on their website and it is current.
Don't have to. Their dealers must have access to the most recent
paperwork (Hence why Fred Wallace does not need mine) so it is on the
website. I notiiced that Gary is diligent enough to get new stuff up in
under 2 weeks. Give him credit where credit is due at least. Nobody is
claiming (or should) he is shipping illegally. People are complaining
that TRA is falsely claiming others are shipping illegally or do not
qualify for certs because of adddress discrepencies, that are normal and
customary for DOT paperwork which is often mailed to a HQ address while
work is performed at a shop address, sometimes in a different state or
TRA is using this excuse to kill Jerry while tolerating it for AMW and
AT openly and ultra hypoctitically.
DOT papers are "ON ITS FACE" documents as evidenced by the need for
different legs of the shipping process to refer to a conclusive
authoritative document without calling DOT every 5 minutes.
You know. Like TRA does!
And Fred Wallace wants to do.
You should not be throwing around accusations if you don't know the facts.
The info you cited may be out of date like Brian said. Perhaps you should
do some more research.
I'm sick and tired of all this useless posting. The Irvine cheerleading
section with it's piss-poor attitude is probably driving away as many
newbies from the hobby as the Save Rocketry Now campaign brought in. Jerry,
you really need counseling or Prozac or something. Doing the same thing
over and over again and expecting a different result is insanity. Do you
really think that whining about some 10 year old crap matters? Here's a
news flash for you: NO ONE CARES!! Get over it already! I used to look
forward to reading good rocketry content on RMR, but there's not much to be
Anymore here on RMR it's the Jerry and Izzy show featuring THEIR favorite
The NAR sucks
The TRA sucks
NAR is corrupt
TRA is corrupt
Mark Budnick is stupid or whatever
Brucie is a crook
Motor certs are fraud
Tripoli screwed me
Tripoli ruined my business
Tripoli is out to get me
Tripoli ruined my life
JERRY TOLD YOU SO
JERRY TOLD YOU SO
JERRY TOLD YOU SO
JERRY TOLD YOU SO
Your collective efforts are doing more to hurt our hobby than anything else.
Try shutting yer pie-holes for once.
I think it's high time for a good glue thread.
NAR 82797 L1
If your paperwork is correct, legal and not forged, etc, what are you worried
about?? Oh, all of the above apply; silly me I forgot(;-)....
Jerry Irv> Don't have to. Their dealers must have access to the most recent
Aerotech has rented office space across the street from the motor making
facility for kit assembly and other activities. I don't think they have
any presence in Nevada. They may still be incorporated there.
Hey, I see all this talk about Jerry not being able to use his legally
obtained DOT exemption because it's not in his name or not his
address. If he can't have certified motors because of that, then no
one should be able to if their paperwork is not 100%.
That only fair and consistant treatment.
Or are some people more equal than others?
So you're not denying that TRA is cutting Aerotech a lot
of slack over pretty much the same sort of issues that have
been used to justify excluding Jerry? (If that's not the
case, why would insisting on "strict interpretation" be
viewed as tending to "screw all of us"?)
For the record, I don't think Aerotech motors _should_ be
decertified... they need all the leeway they can get at
the moment. I just think Jerry should maybe be given a
little bit of the same sort of accomodation...
This rant in various forms has pervaded rmr the entire time it has
existed over one person or another and over one issue or another. It
seems to be a limitation of usenet and truly totally free speech.